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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beta 3: Desktop machine hibernated on its own
- From: "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:42:25 +0100 (CET)
- Message-id: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0811011727320.5408@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Saturday, 2008-11-01 at 03:58 +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
Absolutely! I had to ask here to discover what had happened. And I'm supposedly an expert... what will happen to the thousands out there? You can guess.
Yes.
- The event should be logged. Some machines crash on suspend/hibernate,
so the log is very important afterwards. Any automatic action on a
Linux machine must be logged. Logging is the traditional *nix method,
etc.
- Popping a message right before the act is almost useless, because he
will not see it in time to stop it. Better inform much earlier. Saying
that he will see it later, is bad policy: the machine may crash, and he
will be very pissed with Novell.
- The admin should be informed at install time, and means should be given
to him on YaST so that: a) suspend can be prohibited, b) suspend can be
enforced, c) defaults can be changed. Ie, a method to define power
profiles system wide, regardless of what desktop is used.
Notice that, as important as is conserving energy when a user is logged in, it is also important when nobody is logged in, probably even more important. So power profiles must be system wide, regardless of who is logged in. The user should be empowered, then, on his desktop, only to change the system profile to the extent that the admin permits.
If openSUSE is going to embrace EnergySTAR, lets do it fully!
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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On Saturday, 2008-11-01 at 03:58 +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Magnus Boman wrote:
This was added due to a feature request for Energy Star;
That part is fine. What really troubles me is that we give no
indication to the user, nor even admin, why this is happening.
Absolutely! I had to ask here to discover what had happened. And I'm supposedly an expert... what will happen to the thousands out there? You can guess.
I'd like to see some form of notification for the user as well,
but at least we really need to log this properly, which is why
I have reopened
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439018#c25
to get at least this in place.
Yes.
- The event should be logged. Some machines crash on suspend/hibernate,
so the log is very important afterwards. Any automatic action on a
Linux machine must be logged. Logging is the traditional *nix method,
etc.
- Popping a message right before the act is almost useless, because he
will not see it in time to stop it. Better inform much earlier. Saying
that he will see it later, is bad policy: the machine may crash, and he
will be very pissed with Novell.
- The admin should be informed at install time, and means should be given
to him on YaST so that: a) suspend can be prohibited, b) suspend can be
enforced, c) defaults can be changed. Ie, a method to define power
profiles system wide, regardless of what desktop is used.
Notice that, as important as is conserving energy when a user is logged in, it is also important when nobody is logged in, probably even more important. So power profiles must be system wide, regardless of who is logged in. The user should be empowered, then, on his desktop, only to change the system profile to the extent that the admin permits.
If openSUSE is going to embrace EnergySTAR, lets do it fully!
- -- Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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