Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (818 mails)

[Holger Macht <hmacht@xxxxxxx>]

On Wed 29. Oct - 14:32:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> On Wednesday, 2008-10-29 at 14:22 +0100, Holger Macht wrote:
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> > > > Assuming that it's mentioned in the release notes, user who use other
> > > > applications than the default ones, they also know how to change
> > > > the default settings.
> > >
> > > If they know they have to change something! I didn't know.
> > >
> > > I assume you mean that "gcc" is not a default app? Because it will not be
> > > detected. Or thunderbird? My machine hybernated while I had a Thunderbird
> > > session opened and connected to two remote imap servers.
> >
> > The application does not have to be detected, it has to inform the
> > freedesktop.org interface that it's something doing and thus the system
> > should not be suspended. These days _every_ applications should be power
> > management aware, because it's just something omnipresent. So yes, a
> > bugreport agains Thunderbird, preferably upstream, would be a good idea.
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> No, sorry. It was your decission to implement this default, so you search 
> for non-compliant apps. I'm wasting a lot of my valuable time as it is on 
> this absurd default thing :/

No, it wasn't my decision, but my proposal.

> > > Plus, there is no _easy_ method for root to change this default systemwise.
> >
> > Root shouldn't have to do this, but the user. In most cases, for servers,
> > you don't have a full blows GNOME/KDE desktop at all, so this shouldn't be
> > an issue there. And nobody said it should be easy.
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> Oh, yes, it has to be easy. Remember we are talking about openSUSE, not 
> SLES.
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> > > Gconf-editor is broken in this respect (bugzilla filled), and an exact
> > > command line to dissable autohibernation is not published, AFAIK.
> >
> > I'll create a www.opensuse.org/EnergyStar page to include the rationale
> > and tips and tricks.
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> That might help. But better change the default, and let the user change it. 
> Ie, the other way round. Our decision to autohibernate, not yours.

And not my decision in the end ;-)

Regards,
        Holger
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