Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (818 mails)

["Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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On Wednesday, 2008-10-29 at 14:22 +0100, Holger Macht wrote:

> > > Assuming that it's mentioned in the release notes, user who use other
> > > applications than the default ones, they also know how to change
> > > the default settings.
> >
> > If they know they have to change something! I didn't know.
> >
> > I assume you mean that "gcc" is not a default app? Because it will not be
> > detected. Or thunderbird? My machine hybernated while I had a Thunderbird
> > session opened and connected to two remote imap servers.
>
> The application does not have to be detected, it has to inform the
> freedesktop.org interface that it's something doing and thus the system
> should not be suspended. These days _every_ applications should be power
> management aware, because it's just something omnipresent. So yes, a
> bugreport agains Thunderbird, preferably upstream, would be a good idea.

No, sorry. It was your decission to implement this default, so you search 
for non-compliant apps. I'm wasting a lot of my valuable time as it is on 
this absurd default thing :/

> > Plus, there is no _easy_ method for root to change this default systemwise.
>
> Root shouldn't have to do this, but the user. In most cases, for servers,
> you don't have a full blows GNOME/KDE desktop at all, so this shouldn't be
> an issue there. And nobody said it should be easy.

Oh, yes, it has to be easy. Remember we are talking about openSUSE, not 
SLES.


> > Gconf-editor is broken in this respect (bugzilla filled), and an exact
> > command line to dissable autohibernation is not published, AFAIK.
>
> I'll create a www.opensuse.org/EnergyStar page to include the rationale
> and tips and tricks.


That might help. But better change the default, and let the user change 
it. Ie, the other way round. Our decision to autohibernate, not yours.


> > > > > I'm not saying this setting makes sense by default -- I changed it on my
> > > > > computer ;-) I'm merely explaining how things could work.
> > > >
> > > > How exactly do I disable  that setting for all the users?
> > >
> > > Change who's allowed to suspend the system in
> > > /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.policy
> >
> > Which is not easy!
> >
> > I'm not a professional sysadmin (this is not SLES), so I have no idea how
> > to change that policy. First provide a GUI tool to change those settins,
> > then come back and tell us :-|
>
> gnome-control-center -> Power Management

That only works for the current user.


> > Further: I do want to hybernate my machine, I do it several times a day.
> > But _I_, not you. On my command, when I know it is safe.
>
> It's just the default, so you are free to change it.

Not system wide, I'm not!  :-/

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Cheers,
       Carlos E. R.

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