Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (818 mails)

[Holger Macht <hmacht@xxxxxxx>]

On Wed 29. Oct - 14:16:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> On Wednesday, 2008-10-29 at 13:27 +0100, Holger Macht wrote:
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> > > But if the user does not expect the system to shutdown he will not change
> > > any settings and might be very annoyed the first time that happens. So it
> > > should at least be mentionned in the release notes or, even better, be
> > > switched off for openSuse, just as suggested in the bug report.
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> > Of course it should be mentioned in the release notes. So if,
> > hypothetically, the decision is to keep this setting, I will care about
> > having a corresponding section in the release notes.
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> A user that is not the admin of the (home) machine will not have read the 
> release notes. If you keep that setting it must be announced to each user.
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> Plus, the user might be a KDE user, which one days switches to gnome to try 
> it. Bingo! Lost data.

Lost data must not happen. Concrete example?

> > > I also doubt that apache, gcc/make or $favoriteP2Pclient are capable of
> > > telling Gnome to leave the computer running. Even if a application can do
> > > that, can a KDE application tell Gnome, can a Gnome application tell KDE to
> > > not shut down the system?
> >
> > As Vincent already mentioned, gnome-power-manager has a D-Bus interface to
> > inhibit a suspend, kpowersave doesn't.
> >
> > Actually it's a question about for whom is openSUSE designed for. If you
> > have the "common desktop user" as a target group, you could assume that he
> > just uses the default desktop applications. And all those could trigger a
> > suspend inhibition. If they don't, and it makes sense, it's a bug.
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> Is a samba share to another computer considered a default app by you? NFS? 
> Imap? They are used on homes.
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> You are wrong, all applications shipped by openSUSE/ SuSE/ Novell/ 
> buildservice should be compliant. You can not force us to only use "gnome" 
> apps.

It should not hurt, really, every application should be able to properly
recover from a system sleep. Yes, a lot works needs to be done, but it has
to be done.

Regards,
        Holger
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