Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>]

Hi Peter,

> The machine was never under high load during openSUSE release.
> It had a remarkably low load during peak times, less than 1.0 accounting
> for Apache and 1.something accounting for other services running on the
> machine (mostly rsync, but rsync is mostly busy before release, not
> after. Once we have released, everything is already synced.).
>
> Do you maybe interpret something else as an assumed load problem? It
> seems an assumption of yours.

I interpret as overload a timeout while connecting to
download.opensuse.org, and I thought to overload because it happened
exactly during the release days. We had some complaint on IRC I can
remember of.

> Is it possible that you were sent to a *mirror* which was overloaded?

I don't know. I remember I could not install patches or add
installations sources because the URL could not be found.
> Against overloaded mirrors, there are two things that can be done:
> 1) when downloading an ISO image, use a metalink client.
> download.opensuse.org will give it the list of best mirrors and the
> metalink client will automatically cope with failing mirrors.
> 2) for zypp/YaST, there is early support for metalinks as well, which
> would help for the download of repository metadata and packages (which
> this discussion refers to).

That's my point. Adding a "download.opensuse.org" was not possible
immediately after there release. I still remember I could not install
patches for that reason.

> I *do* see, understand and appreciate your point though, because the
> situation you describe does transfer to the situation of failing
> mirrors; for the end user it doesn't make a difference if the redirector
> fails or the mirror that it is sent to. So your point of adding online
> stuff at install time is valid of course. However I see possibilities to
> alleviate this (see above). For 11.1, we won't have this, and in any
> case we need to be careful to implement online accesses in a way that
> they don't block anything, can be delayed and fail gracefully.

I have no doubts there are a lot of possibilities to reduce the problem.
My main message was that I don't think we need this at all, because the
current situation makes a very limited number of users unhappy, and
satisfy a lot more users. 
I don't think we should listen to "bad press" for every detail.
OpenSUSE, as any other big distribution, will always receive "bad
press". 

To conclude, I would leave non-oss software at least on the DVD, maybe
removing it from the online repositories so that mirrors won't have to
worry about it.

Regards,
Alberto

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