Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[MH <haagmj@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008 04:36:21 pm Will Stephenson wrote:
> On Sunday 07 September 2008 16:39:55 MH wrote:
> > I've played around with KDE4.0 (which was early beta at best IMO) and 4.1
> > (still beta). These are the things I don't like about it:
>
> Ok, I'm collecting wishlists again.
>
> > Unable to hide the panel (I've loved this feature since it was first
> > implemented in Windows. Reduces clutter, increases screen area);
>
> Implemented in trunk and planned to be backported.  The trunk implementation 
> only has auto-hide, did you use the manual hide buttons?

No. Only used auto-hide. I always removed the manual hide buttons as they were 
just more clutter.

> > Unable to locate "launcher" icons on the panel where they will stay;
> >
> > "Launcher" icons radomly change location on the panel even at "default"
> > locations;
>
> This must be a bug.  Is it reported?

Not sure. To be honest, I kind of gave up on bug reporting because I found the 
interface difficult to use (not to mention having to maintain separate 
logins). Maybe it's improved. In any case, I once reported a bug regarding 
the "nv" driver and the problem remains nearly 2 years later. So for me 
personally, I couldn't see much point.


> > Unable to resize icons;
>
> On the panel?  Historical note: their size used to be configurable until 
about 
> KDE 3.1, then they were changed to automatically take the largest size that 
> fits on the configured panel height. 

I was referring to the desktop icons (widgets?). The "resize" option does 
nothing. I was not able to find a more general option anywhere in desktop 
configuration/appearance.

> Folder View takes its icon size from the configured (in System Settings) 
> Desktop/File Manager icon size.

I still don't even understand what "folder view" is or what it's supposed to 
accomplish. How is that any different from a short-cut to a folder? Or sized 
file manager view?

> > Unable to keep icons in designated areas of the desktop without constantly
> > locking and unlocking them (with 3.x you could "align to grid" and be done
> > with it);
>
> Folder View aligns pretty well to grid by default.  Have you tried this?

See above. As far as I can tell, folder view has nothing to do with desktop 
icons used for launching apps.

> > Unable to assign different backgrounds to virtual desktops to make them
> > easy to identify;
>
> Go vote on https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155150 . Currently KDE 4.2 
is 
> a way off feature freeze, so there is still time to get things like this re-
> added.

OK. Thanks for the link. Save me having to hunt it down.

> > Lack of stability. KDE4.1 has crashed on me repeatedly;
>
> Our packages aren't just 'released' 4.1.1, we are constantly updating them 
> with fixes that go into the branch.  So report specific bugs and we'll get 
the 
> stability up.

That's why I'm waiting. Things like moving desktop icons around shouldn't take 
the system down.

> > Lack of key native applications. Yes, the 3.x series variants can be
> > installed and run, but not without a great deal of extra libraries and
> > assorted cruft (isn't removing cruft and "bloat" one of the design goals 
of
> > the 4.x series?)
>
> Most of these are being ported.  It's true that a number will still be 
present 
> as KDE 3 apps only for 11.1 - digikam (maybe), konversation, koffice.  
You're 
> absolutely right about streamlining being a KDE 4 goal, but the sheer number 
> of KDE apps has made it impossible to port everything immediately.  

I understand that. I have no problem with that, as long as it's a goal that is 
actively being pursued. Like I said above, I can wait.

> I don't give much weight to the 'extra libraries' argument on a general 
> purpose desktop or laptop though.  On a SSD-based netbook, sure.  However 
disk 
> space and ram being what they are, the extra cruft (a few tens of Mb) 
involved 
> in installing KDE 3 and KDE 4 in parallel is no great increase over the 
bloat 
> we all have from having OpenOffice, Mozilla, Eclipse and maybe a couple of 
g* 
> apps installed.

Maybe not. But if one situation isn't better than another where's the 
motivation to change?
> Will


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