Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxx>]

Felix-Nicolai Müller <fnmueller@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

> Andreas Jaeger schrieb:
> > Felix-Nicolai Müller <fnmueller@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >
> > > Andreas Jaeger schrieb:
> [...]
> > You never will be able to reach everybody, even if you go to the
> > forums.  Should we really vote for every decisions?  Or just for
> > critical ones and who defines critical?
> Just critical ones. Critical is everything that is a core
> component. No, I will never be able to reach everybody. As this is the
> case for any questionaire, I guess we should stop asking at all?
> Because this would be a logical consequence.

;)

We have to discuss stuff and that means those doing work have to ask.
But if we great such a high bar for them they might not ask anymore -
that's my problem.  How to do it in a convenient way on the one hand -
and how to reach a critical and representative group of people?

I do want same recipes on what to do - you know developers want
algorithms ;-)

So, what about the following for openSUSE 11.2:
* we ask for ideas to implement and collect them in some tool
* we will after some time close the tool for new ideas and give
  everybody the chance to review the list
* Michael and Coolo will go through it and comment:
  + This is something we like to get in openSUSE, who will stepup doing
    it?
  - this is something we first want to see upstream, how to get it
    done there?
  - this is something we consider a bad idea
* We discuss these during a public IRC meeting and on a mailing list
* We prioritize the things and community or Novell engineers can commit
  to do one of the selected features (also in colloboration, with
  coaching...).
* Each step is announced on news.o.o

Would that work?  If not, the only critique that I accept is
constructive: Write down a better algorithm ;)  And if I misunderstood
the problem the write one to solve your problem.

> [...]
> > True reasons?  There's nothing to hide: Check how many bugs the
> > kde-maintainers@xxxxxxx list has assigned, see the work for KDE3 and
> > KDE4, assume a fixed number of Novell engineers working on KDE - and
> > then it's an evaluation what to do: Support both KDE 3 and KDE 4?  Or
> > spend all energy on KDE 4?  Or be the only current distribution that
> > works only on KDE3?
> I could _know_ if... well, you know the drill. This is running in
> circles. So it is a Novell thing, a KDE group thing, a combination of
> both. Those numbers don't show the actual position of the
> people. Well, as it was pointed out thiese things work for gnome, I
> don't really understand what the fear is to do it similar with KDE.
> I believe as of today at least to me it does not matter anymore.

You lost me completely - what do you reference GNOME here?

> [...]
> > > How much BS, traps and effort do I have to go through in order to be
> > > _able_ to contribute? And how can it be expected from me to contribute
> >
> > There shouldn't be any BS and traps and little effort - but
> > unfortunately in some areas it's still too much effort.
> So I guess it will stay that way?

With "it's still too much effort" I intented to say: Yes, this is today
too much effort IMO - but that has to change.

> > > in all areas (maintain KDE3, talk to the community and cope with
> > > usabillity)? How much can and do you want to ask for? It's not like this
> > > is my entire life or if I'd get money out of this to live from.
> >
> > Anybody can only contribute as much time as they have - you can do a lot
> > with an odd hour here and there IMO.
> Not for openSUSE, sorry.

Why not?

> > > I hope this answers you questions. I hope you can answer mine.
> >
> > Not fair, you wrote much more than I did ;)
> sorry again
> > You ask many questions - some of them seem to me rhetoric.  If you like
> > to have an answer to ones that I missed, please ask clearly again,
> rehtoric? OK, I really hope not.

If there were not rhetoric questions at all in your lengthy email, then
I misunderstood you and we do not communicate at all ;-(

Andreas
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