Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

["Benji Weber" <benji@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

2008/9/7 peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> On Sunday 07 September 2008, Stephan Binner wrote:
>
> > That's no helpful answer: it doesn't help developers to decide what
> > functiona- lity is really required and if considered essential to priotize
> > implemntation.
>
> Thats very easy to state   everything  KDE 3.5.x has plus some no minus lines
> at all  how many times does this have to be stated

That is not very helpful. KDE4.x will never have all the features of
3.5.x. It will have many features that 3.5.x does not, and it will
miss many features that 3.5.x does have but that few people want.

Here's my personal list of blockers to my switching to KDE4.x. (Tested
most recently with KDE 4.1.1 from buildservice KDE4:/Factory) in order
of increasing importance to me (least important first). I am unlikely
to switch to KDE4.x until at least these issues are resolved. If I can
help find any more information on any of these without having to
dedicate many hours to doing so then I would be happy to.

* Plasma stability.

It seems to me that if a single plasmoid crashes then it takes all of
plasma with it. I can't work out how to get usable backtraces from
plasma to file bugs for these. I've tried installing all the
-debuginfo packages I could find but still have no symbols found in
backtraces, and I can't be bothered to install from source at the
moment.

* Plasma doesn't play nicely with twinview/xinerama

Probably an nvidia-driver bug but my default desktop always looks like
this http://bw.uwcs.co.uk/kde411/first_start.png , Plasma doesn't seem
to know where the screen boundaries are. Oddly enough kwin4 has no
problem with this.

Bug#: https://bugzilla.novell.com/413268

* Configurable global keyboard shortcuts don't appear to work yet in 4.1.

Bug#: https://bugs.kde.org/160892 https://bugs.kde.org/165441

I start most applications by keyboard shortcut. Not really an
essential user for non-power-users, but I won't be switching until
it's fixed.

* Windows-Cover-Panel missing feature. (Fixed for 4.2).

Bug#: Can't find it. [Please let me know]

I don't want to waste a large proportion of my screen space displaying
something I rarely want to use. If I do want to use the panel I have
to move my mouse to it anyway.

* Performance with nvidia's proprietary driver.

Perhaps not KDE's fault but still prevents me from switching. Even
with the latest beta nvidia driver (177.67) and using all the tips at
http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA Xorg still uses 100% of
one of my cores when moving one window over another, resizing a
window, scrolling in a window, and I get about 1 frame per second
redrawn. (Without compositing effects enabled). As soon as I add a few
widgets to plasma I have to wait literally seconds for it to respond
to clicks. Even running running a KDE4 app in KDE3 it's sometimes
quicker to start the KDE3 version and perform a task than wait for the
KDE4 version to redraw a menu.

System Specs: Q6600, 8800GTS, 8gb ram

Eventually I might be persuaded to replace my graphics card, but not
right now, the above hardware is only one year old, I can't afford an
upgrade right now. The performance is much better on my 4 year old
laptop with intel graphics card and on my desktop using the vesa or
nouveau drivers. Unfortunately I like playing 3d games too much to use
those. Meanwhile the performance in KDE3 is perfectly acceptable.

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Benjamin Weber
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