On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Bryen
I'm going off-topic on this reply. I'm sorry, but I feel it has to be said. I respect your choice to not use Compiz, but not the words you've stated. Compiz is actually a very valuable tool for people with disabilities and extends the functionality of their desktop.
You can't really can't count accessibility into numbers because they are in their own group. And, if compiz helps them out, then I support that part of it whileheartedly.
Labeling Compiz as simply bling and eye-candy is an affront to the continuous hard work of the Compiz developers, and diminishes the 20% who don't fit into your 80% scope of definition of a user and is anathema to the concept of community as a whole.
To me, Compiz is just that: eye-candy. I don't need it. Now, for those that want it, hey, that's their choice. My issue is that too much development went into that stuff, where too little went into bringing in stuff that should have already been there. IF KDE4 can become a robust, stable, and efficient system, then I will use it. What I have seen of it was slow, glitzy, and nothing i really care for. I won't get into such things like the look and feel of programs like KMagghong. That was a huge change. But, that happens. At some point, unless KDE3 ends up with a development team, I will have to move to it if I want to continue to use and support KDE. That may or may not happen. I dunno. Still undecided on that one.
Going back on topic, I would really urge you to eliminate throwing out numbers and percentages to state your arguments and instead focus on pointing out what works for you and what doesn't. Those that are providing specifics in this thread seem to gain better traction in getting their point across, rather than those who are simply hiding behind numbers clearly without even knowing who the users are in those numbers. Walk a mile (or kilometer, depending on where you live) in their shoes before you marginalize anyone...
The 80/20 split is a well known issue in software. As for using KDE4, I just haven't had the time to actually delve into it and see it I can change it to what I want/need and to find out why it was so slow. Part of it is probably because I am using older hardware like this Thinkpad A22p P3/1Ghz with an ATI Mobility M3(basically a Rage128). I'm running at 1600x1200(native resolution) at 24bit color, and that takes up most of the video ram available(only have 8MB), so extras like compiz just don't work. I have to drop to 16bit color to run Penguin Planet Racer, but the when I play video, i have to switch back to 24bit or it looks fuzzy(first time i have seen that issue - might be a driver problem). Until recently, I was using a Thinkpad 390X P3/500 that had a Neomagic 256 chip with 2.5MB VRAM. That played movies just fine as well. But KDE4 was really slow. My desktop Celeron Dual Core 3.2Ghz(overclocked) is running an ATI X300, and KDE4 was slower on it than KDE3. So, maybe the devs should try walking a mile in the shoes of people who are satisified with their lower end systems as well. It does work both ways. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org