Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

["Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Stephan Binner wrote:
> On Sunday 07 September 2008 05:21:13 Fred A. Miller wrote:
>
> > Supposedly, the inability to hide the task bar will be taken care of...
> > ....it's not yet.  
>
> It is implemented in KDE trunk, it has not been in a release yet though.

Excellent! 1 down.............

> > > The programmers are *not* going to pull your teeth to find what features
> > > you are missing.  YOU are going to have to report them or, as you have 
> > Give me a break Patrick. As someone else pointed out, they above all devs.
> > know what the features are in 3.5.....we need them all, as has been stated
>
> Nobody needs them all! But many people complained about KDE 3.5 UI bloat.
>
> > It sounds like they don't want to implement all the features of 3.5, but
> > so far, no one's been honest about that, or not that I've read anyway.
>
> As you obviously do not know, one of the goals of KDE4 is to clean up at least
> some of the bloat/confusing dialogs/features that are used by nobody/minority.

Well, you see a LOT of users say that 4.* is slower than 3.5, so there
you have a "sales" problem.

> The most visible 'cut' is of course visible in the parts that have been com-
> pletely rewritten from ground for KDE4, read desktop shell/Plasma (Plasma 4.0 
> and 4.1 did not include some features not because developers did not consider
> them essential but because of missing time/resource.) But it's not the goal to
> let over time KDE4/Plasma grow to same KDE 3.5 functionality including stuff
> for every loud minority of users. So KDE4 will be never "same as KDE 3.5" and
> it supposed to be better/different so "same config" argument is also invalid.

Things like quickly setting the size of all icons on the desktop IS
important and missing in 4.*. From what I've read, it's not going to be
available in 4.* either. I don't want to have to set the size of each
icon. Now, my desktops are setup correctly....there's very few icons,
but I have clients who don't listen and load their desktops up. :(

> > Did I miss something? When asked what features we want, the answer normally
> > is ALL of what we have in 3.5. That's an informative answer. It's not a
>
> That's no helpful answer: it doesn't help developers to decide what functiona-
> lity is really required and if considered essential to priotize implemntation.

Well, I guess I'm not going to be any help then. Right now, I don't have
time to setup 4.1 on any of my hardware to check what's in 4.1 and what
isn't and what's important. Sorry about that...but right now, I'm going
"full tilt" most of the time. I can hope hope that those like Patrick,
who are retired (no Patrick, I didn't say "retarded"), will have the
time to do all that. Next year, I'm going to semi-retire (unless NOBama
gets elected and then I won't be able to afford to) and do some of the
things I haven't been able to do in a long time. 'Haven't even gone
fishing in over 5 yrs!! I've paid my dues many times over, testing
software. I simply can't do it now.

Fred

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