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Re: [opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
- From: "Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 22:36:37 -0400
- Message-id: <9bb996600809061936n598ad5fcr8c98fd5b7d4e6c2e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On 9/6/08, Rajko M. <rmatov101@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So, what, now we have to have a brand new computer to be able to use
KDE4? My older P3 based laptops that have "ancient" and "old" video
chipsets should no longer be supported because of these new features
that users seems to have been "demanding"? If that's the case, then
maybe we should just change the minimum requirements to a 2Ghz or
faster machine and no graphics card less than 2 years old?
As for resizing the taskbar, you could do that in KDE3. The first tab
of the panel options allows that. Granted, it's not as "easy" as
dragging it, but it was there. So, that MAY be a useful improvement
for some people.
Eye candy isn't the end all and be-all. Remember, 80% of users only
use 20% of the features. Way too much effort is wasted to try to
please that other 20% tho. I could care less about wobbly windows,
and rotating desktops, and all that other bling. I care about having
a stable desktop, Firefox for web apps, KOffice for productivity,
MPlayer for video, and a usable File Manager like Konqueror and
Midnight Commander. If I wanted glitz and bling, I would use OS X on
my Macs. But I use Linux.
SuSE used to have the seperate professional version. Maybe we need to
go back to that. Have a user oriented versions with all the bling and
have a power user version for those who are just interested in getting
their work done.
As for pointing out various faults with KDE4, since I have only used
it a couple of times, I can't really say too much other than it was
too much bling, slower than KDE3, and had all kinds of irriatating
effects. I even turn off the bouncing cursor that is the default on
KDE3. Even the color schemes on apps like Kmaghong and KPatience
suck. KDE3 provided us a clean, balanced desktop with lots of configs
so that it could be adjusted for every taste.
KDE4 seems to be a lot of bling and if it needs a brand new Nvidia
8800GT or ATI Radeon 4850, then it's not for me.
Again, these are my views and my opinions. I don't expect everyone to
agree. That's what these discussions are for - to help the devs found
out where the balance is.
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Once people realize that old settings were just the best approximation of
graphical desktop, because computers at that time couldn't handle what they
can today, requests for new type of features will multiply and number of
differences will grow.
So, what, now we have to have a brand new computer to be able to use
KDE4? My older P3 based laptops that have "ancient" and "old" video
chipsets should no longer be supported because of these new features
that users seems to have been "demanding"? If that's the case, then
maybe we should just change the minimum requirements to a 2Ghz or
faster machine and no graphics card less than 2 years old?
As for resizing the taskbar, you could do that in KDE3. The first tab
of the panel options allows that. Granted, it's not as "easy" as
dragging it, but it was there. So, that MAY be a useful improvement
for some people.
Other distributions force change because Linux can't stay with GUI developed
for hardware capabilities from 2000. Presentations, or eyecandies, move from
specialized applications to desktop, and if OS can't provide tools it will
stay away from mainstream. Some use cases can live, even today, with a
command line and everything between, but most of the users will appreciate
smoother feeling of the new desktop once application developers get used to
new tools and start using them more then now. Now is rush to move
applications from 3 to 4, but then it will start time of GUI improvements.
Eye candy isn't the end all and be-all. Remember, 80% of users only
use 20% of the features. Way too much effort is wasted to try to
please that other 20% tho. I could care less about wobbly windows,
and rotating desktops, and all that other bling. I care about having
a stable desktop, Firefox for web apps, KOffice for productivity,
MPlayer for video, and a usable File Manager like Konqueror and
Midnight Commander. If I wanted glitz and bling, I would use OS X on
my Macs. But I use Linux.
SuSE used to have the seperate professional version. Maybe we need to
go back to that. Have a user oriented versions with all the bling and
have a power user version for those who are just interested in getting
their work done.
As for pointing out various faults with KDE4, since I have only used
it a couple of times, I can't really say too much other than it was
too much bling, slower than KDE3, and had all kinds of irriatating
effects. I even turn off the bouncing cursor that is the default on
KDE3. Even the color schemes on apps like Kmaghong and KPatience
suck. KDE3 provided us a clean, balanced desktop with lots of configs
so that it could be adjusted for every taste.
KDE4 seems to be a lot of bling and if it needs a brand new Nvidia
8800GT or ATI Radeon 4850, then it's not for me.
Again, these are my views and my opinions. I don't expect everyone to
agree. That's what these discussions are for - to help the devs found
out where the balance is.
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