Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[Michael Loeffler <michl@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On Friday 05 September 2008, Michael Loeffler wrote:
> Moin,
Hi, 
> On Friday 05 September 2008, Pascal Bleser wrote:
--snip--
> What to do?
> We'll try to put again both KDEs on the media. I'm using "try" as we're
> facing space issues but I'm confident that we solve them in a manner
> acceptable for all. We probably need to reduce the KDE3 dekstop to
> accomplish that. On the space issue cthiel is our man going forward. He's
> travelling and will be back in the office next week and can then tell us
> what's to be done to get KDE3 in a usable way on the media.
Uups, 2 things I've forgotten to tell.
> We think this way we address most concerns and offering another step for
> thea good transition to KDE4. 
And stop shipping KDE3 with openSUSE 11.2. So 11.2 would come with KDE3 only. 
We of course support everybody who wants to offer and maintain KDE3 for 
longer. 
> BTW: I just received the results of the 
> survey we had online July/August. Concerning KDE usage it says:
> KDE3 38.5%
> KDE4 29.8%
The gap to 100% is Gnome and other dekstops

M
> And yes, the survey results will be published asap. I just wanna write up
> some comments and comparisions to the last one.
>
> Best + have a lot of fun!
> Michael
>
> > > Personally, I agree 100% with the post at the end of the thread below.
> > > If both KDE3 and KDE4 cannot be maintained as user install options,
> > > then I would prefer to stick with KDE3 at least until KDE4.2. KDE4.1 is
> > > still not ready for prime time in my opinion. I've been testing 4.1 on
> > > a virtual machine and there are simply too many major applications
> > > missing (K3b, Kaffeine, Amarok) and still too many useability features
> > > that either don't work (icon resizing) or have yet to be implemented
> > > (panel hiding). There are still stability issues as well. I had one
> > > crash that corrupted my VM image.
> >
> > I don't think that missing applications is an issue.
> > I would believe that the plan for the "no KDE3" option would be to keep
> > the KDE3 flavours of applications that have not been ported to KDE4 (or
> > aren't stable enough) yet, e.g. ship the KDE3 k3b "with KDE4".
> > That would also mean that the KDE3 runtime libraries have to be shipped
> > with 11.1 in any case, but I would assume that this is the plan in any
> > case.
> >
> > > KDE3 is very stable, fully functional, user friendly, and good looking.
> > > It wouldn't bother me to keep it as my primary desktop for at least
> > > another year.
> >
> > Yeah, that's my feeling too. But I'm afraid that it isn't really giving
> > a solution for 11.1 either.
> > We can't simply disregard the argumentation of our KDE team, push the
> > burden on them and then whine later if KDE4 development isn't going
> > quickly enough (yes, I know, I'm somehow contradicting myself... playing
> > the devil's advocate, sort of :)).
> >
> >
> > But I still fail to see how having KDE3 in the OBS instead of on the
> > media would help in any way wrt support. Sure, it would make room on the
> > CD/DVD, but as of the maintenance of a "dead" KDE3 pulling resources
> > away from fixing/enhancing KDE4... ?
> >
> > I'd have a few questions to our KDE team:
> >
> > - Is there any defined upstream EOL for KDE3 maintenance at this point ?
> >
> > - Would the KDE3 in the OBS repos not be maintained in any way ?
> >   Except upstream patches and new releases I guess... ?
> >
> > - How would that be different from KDE3 being on the media (+ in OSS) ?
> >
> > - And from above: if KDE4 is removed from the media, would a minimal
> > KDE3 runtime environment (shlibs, kdeinit3 ?) be included nevertheless,
> > for running KDE3 apps ?
> >
> > cheers



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Michael Löffler, Product Management
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex
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