Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

["Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Michael Loeffler <michl@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> What to do?
> We'll try to put again both KDEs on the media. I'm using "try" as we're facing
> space issues but I'm confident that we solve them in a manner acceptable for
> all. We probably need to reduce the KDE3 dekstop to accomplish that. On the
> space issue cthiel is our man going forward. He's travelling and will be back
> in the office next week and can then tell us what's to be done to get KDE3 in
> a usable way on the media.

Why not do 2 DVDs?  One that is KDE3 centered and one that is KDE4
centered?  Give the users the choice at the download time.  State what
the differences are:

KDE4 - The next generation of KDE that IS the future of openSUSE.  It
is not 100% feature complete, but it is a usable Desktop Environment.

KDE3 - Stable, Complete version of KDE.  No longer being actively
developed, but it is fully supported with this release.

Have all the other desktops on both DVDs.  The KDE3 DVD wouldn't be
that hard to setup since KDE3 is basically at a standstill for
development.  That would allow you guys to fully do KDE4 on the
installation media.

As for the liveCDs, we had a community built version for 11.0.  Let's
get together and get one together for 11.1 that will either be HOSTED
on the opensuse mirrors, or at least LINKED to the download site.

> We think this way we address most concerns and offering another step for thea
> good transition to KDE4. BTW: I just received the results of the survey we
> had online July/August. Concerning KDE usage it says:
> KDE3 38.5%
> KDE4 29.8%

That still shows that almost 1/2 of openSUSE's user base is still on
KDE3 and that KDE4, while growing, is still the minority.  Forcing the
move to KDE4 at this time would be a bad decision.  A full heads up
about the fact that KDE3 will be moved off the install media for 11.2
and possibly out of the repositories would be a good thing to have
stated in the 11.1 release notes and on the download pages as well.

I'd really like to be able to support KDE4.  But, I, and many others,
have had to disagree with the direction that the developers took to
get it out there.  Thankfully, cooler heads prevailed here unlike
Fedora 9's fiasco about dropping KDE3 entirely.  KDE4 IS getting
there, but it still has a ways to go IMO.

One last request.  PLEASE add in some kind of easy to use eye-candy
meter like we had back in SuSE 7.x and 8.x.  While that one was
designed because of low end systems, there are many of us who don't
care for all the new whiz bang bling and just want a usable desktop
with little fuss.  And, there are still some of us using low end
systems.  I have 11.0 running on a P3/450 with 256MB RAM and it is
fine.  My main laptops are a P3/700/384MB and a P3/1Ghz/256MB.  Thanx.
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