Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[MH <haagmj@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I was directed to this mailing by a forum member (whom I thought was a 
principle member) as a place to post user's thoughts on KDE3/KDE4 and the 
future of openSUSE. I'm just a user, not a developer, and I may be out of 
place here but I'll put in my two cents worth and then leave:

Personally, I agree 100% with the post at the end of the thread below. If both 
KDE3 and KDE4 cannot be maintained as user install options, then I would 
prefer to stick with KDE3 at least until KDE4.2. KDE4.1 is still not ready 
for prime time in my opinion. I've been testing 4.1 on a virtual machine and 
there are simply too many major applications missing (K3b, Kaffeine, Amarok) 
and still too many useability features that either don't work (icon resizing) 
or have yet to be implemented (panel hiding). There are still stability 
issues as well. I had one crash that corrupted my VM image.

KDE3 is very stable, fully functional, user friendly, and good looking. It 
wouldn't bother me to keep it as my primary desktop for at least another 
year. JMO


On Friday 05 September 2008 07:53:29 am Rajko M. wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2008 12:58:21 am Pascal Bleser wrote:
> > Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > > Reading this thread, let me ask some meta-questions:
> > > * please give facts why you choose something
> > > * openSUSE will eventually remove KDE3 and move completely to KDE4. What
> > >   criteria do you have for this move?  We should try to come to a firm
> > >   decision and not start from scratch with every release.
> > > * What are *you* doing to improve the situation?  Supporting two KDE
> > >   versions is work - and therefore our KDE developers cannot invest as
> > >   much in KDE4 as they would want to do.  How do *you* want to help the
> > >   KDE developers - both the openSUSE ones with packages and the upstream
> > >   team?
> > >   Always remember we're speaking about Open Source software here ;)
> ...
> > But I'm afraid that not having a stable KDE3 as a fallback option could
> > have terrible consequences.
> > And I'm not talking about experienced users with a proper internet link,
> > those can simply add the KDE:KDE3 repository and be done with it.
> >
> > Everyone has different needs and expectations, but I somehow see one
> > scenario as being really problematic without KDE3: beginners who get an
> > 11.1 DVD, install it, choose KDE4 and find it to be way too buggy to
> > work with.
> > What options do they have ?
> ....
> > I fear that only <50% of users will be aware that KDE3 is available from
> > OBS repos. Just because _we_ know it's there doesn't mean everyone will
> > find out.
> >
> > cheers
>
> How much time would require to provide KDE3 mostly as is, with very limited 
> support for the most critical flaws, completely stopping work on functional 
> fixes. 
>
> Clearly state that KDE4 is future that is actively developed, and fully 
> supported by openSUSE, while KDE3 is there for user convenience and has 
> limited support. 


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