Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

[Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Pascal Bleser wrote:
> Andreas Jaeger wrote:
> > Reading this thread, let me ask some meta-questions:
> > * please give facts why you choose something
> > * openSUSE will eventually remove KDE3 and move completely to KDE4. What
> >   criteria do you have for this move?  We should try to come to a firm
> >   decision and not start from scratch with every release.
> > * What are *you* doing to improve the situation?  Supporting two KDE
> >   versions is work - and therefore our KDE developers cannot invest as
> >   much in KDE4 as they would want to do.  How do *you* want to help the
> >   KDE developers - both the openSUSE ones with packages and the upstream
> >   team?
> >   Always remember we're speaking about Open Source software here ;)
>
> * And let's please try to keep the thread focused, it's too large to
> drift off into rant land, thanks :)
>
> I'm pretty puzzled. I understand what's at stake.
> Clearly:
> * if the KDE packagers+devs @Novell are busy with keeping KDE3, they'll
> have less time to improve KDE4 (fix bugs, backport, don't assume it's
> all bling)
> * KDE3 will die anyway, whether we like it or not, and keeping KDE3 for
> 2 years will be an even bigger burden in one year's time than it would
> be now (other distros won't ship it, and I would assume almost no
> non-Novell KDE devs will work on KDE3 maintenance in a few months' time)
>
> But I'm afraid that not having a stable KDE3 as a fallback option could
> have terrible consequences.
> And I'm not talking about experienced users with a proper internet link,
> those can simply add the KDE:KDE3 repository and be done with it.

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> I'm currently rather in favour of keeping a KDE3 desktop as a fallback
> option on 11.1, hoping that KDE4 will have matured sufficiently for 11.2
> to be a solid working horse by then.
>
> But well.. if KDE3 is not shipped as an installation option, it must be
> *very* clearly stated in the desktop chooser that KDE3 is available from
> add-on repositories (and maybe make it possible to add that repo during
> installation and grab it from there ?)
>
> I fear that only <50% of users will be aware that KDE3 is available from
> OBS repos. Just because _we_ know it's there doesn't mean everyone will
> find out.


I come out of my self-imposed 'retirement' to applaud and support the
sentiments expressed in your message, Pascal.

openSUSE/Novell has a lot to lose if rational thought, and sane
decisions, as were evident in the pre-Novell days, does not reassert
itself re SuSE.

Ciao.


-- 
It's not possible to operate honestly using a basis of dishonesty.

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