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Re: [opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
- From: "Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:40:23 -0400
- Message-id: <9bb996600809011340i64218300n72f5eedbf5e60412@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Martin Schlander
<martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh, so any of us who think KDE4 is not ready are automatically
consider whiners? That's a preofessional attitude to take. Should I
call you names for disagreeing with me?
I'm not, so I would appreciate it if all of that was dropped. Those
of us who have stuck with KDE3 because KDE4 is lacking in many things
as well as the fact that it is SLOWER if you don't have powerful
graphicas cards. I run openSUSE on systems ranging from a 3.2Ghz
Core2 down to a 266Mhz G3 Powerbook. So far I have not seen ANY
compelling reason to run KDE4. It's more glitz and eyecandy than
anything else. If I wanted that I would run OS X.
That is a good point. That's why I think 11.1 should be delayed so
that it can include KDE 4.2 sinc eit appears that 4.2 will actually be
a full featured system that will have everything that KDE3 has,
Fedora lost a lot of users with 9 because they didn't offer KDE3 and
their KDE4 was nowhere near as good as openSUSE's. Does this
community really want to alienate more people by dropping a sold,
reliable GUI in favor of an incomplete one that won't even run a lot
of extras that are still KDE3 compatible?
Sure, maybe I'll just stick with 11.0 for the next few releases. Why
not? I still run SuSE 9.3 on one machine and 8.1 on an old laptop.
Then I won't need to worry about beta testing and filing bug reports
and helping to make sure that the next version is ready and stable.
That would really free up my time and allow me to focus on what I want
to do instead of helping out a community that Ihae supported for over
9 years. That's for showing me that my contributions haven't been
appriciated and that my continued use of this distro isn't something
that the community wants to see happen. Good job.
The KDE team should have spent more time making KDE4 complete instead
of adding all kinds of eye candy and useless extras that dont' t make
me and a lot of us productive but can make our desktop look "Cool" and
make use of these high end graphics cards that we don't have really
any games for anyways. That's the M$ philosophy.
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<martin.schlander@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I "vote" solution a) - only kde 4.1.x in the distro.
For the reasons already given by michl on behalf of the internal team, plus:
* The experienced users whining, will still be whining about different
behaviour, missing pet fringe feature or the pain of reconfiguring certain
things even when 4.2, 4.3 or 4.4 is out anyway. There'll be a painful
migration sometime - better sooner than later.
Oh, so any of us who think KDE4 is not ready are automatically
consider whiners? That's a preofessional attitude to take. Should I
call you names for disagreeing with me?
I'm not, so I would appreciate it if all of that was dropped. Those
of us who have stuck with KDE3 because KDE4 is lacking in many things
as well as the fact that it is SLOWER if you don't have powerful
graphicas cards. I run openSUSE on systems ranging from a 3.2Ghz
Core2 down to a 266Mhz G3 Powerbook. So far I have not seen ANY
compelling reason to run KDE4. It's more glitz and eyecandy than
anything else. If I wanted that I would run OS X.
* If we get new users to use KDE3 on 11.1, they'll have the trouble of
migrating from 3->4 on 11.2.
That is a good point. That's why I think 11.1 should be delayed so
that it can include KDE 4.2 sinc eit appears that 4.2 will actually be
a full featured system that will have everything that KDE3 has,
* KDE4 is the future - there's no way around it. We should put all our effort
in making the future as bright as possible instead of clinging to the past,
waiting hoping for someone else to do the work for us.
* Kubuntu, Mandriva and Fedora all do the same or similar.
Fedora lost a lot of users with 9 because they didn't offer KDE3 and
their KDE4 was nowhere near as good as openSUSE's. Does this
community really want to alienate more people by dropping a sold,
reliable GUI in favor of an incomplete one that won't even run a lot
of extras that are still KDE3 compatible?
There are some cases where there's a valid _need_ (not just lazyness or
conservatism) for KDE3 due to some of the missing functionality or the bugs -
to them we'll have to say: "Stay on 11.0/3.5 for another release". But those
cases are few, and getting fewer every day.
Sure, maybe I'll just stick with 11.0 for the next few releases. Why
not? I still run SuSE 9.3 on one machine and 8.1 on an old laptop.
Then I won't need to worry about beta testing and filing bug reports
and helping to make sure that the next version is ready and stable.
That would really free up my time and allow me to focus on what I want
to do instead of helping out a community that Ihae supported for over
9 years. That's for showing me that my contributions haven't been
appriciated and that my continued use of this distro isn't something
that the community wants to see happen. Good job.
The KDE team should have spent more time making KDE4 complete instead
of adding all kinds of eye candy and useless extras that dont' t make
me and a lot of us productive but can make our desktop look "Cool" and
make use of these high end graphics cards that we don't have really
any games for anyways. That's the M$ philosophy.
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