Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (673 mails)

["Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Druid <marcio.ferreira@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Completely unrealistic target in here. If kde3 was adopted only when
> it had "all the features" maybe we would be on kde2 to kde3
> transition.

Excuse me, but KDE3 was in no way shape or form the huge shift that
KDE4 is.  If you don't believe me, re-install a copy of SuSE 7.3 that
has KDE2 and see how much different it is from KDE3.  KDE3 added
features that KDE2 didn't have.  KDE4 has removed features that KDE3
has.  KDE4 has a completely different look, feel, and structure.  If
the KDE team wanted to make such a huge change, then maybe they should
have called it MDE or something.  It's not a comtinuation of KDE.
It's a whole new system.

> Its time for people to stop crying and use that time to research how
> to get going in KDE4. If you think that's too hard, maybe you do
> deserve that *other* environment SUSE still offers anyway... It was
> made thinking exactly about you, people that have a hard time moving
> forward and learning stuff. Oh, this last line was mean.

The reason I came to SuSE was because it's KDE worked like OS/2's
Workplace shell, which is what I had been using until I started using
Linux.  To me, Gnone sucks, and I avoid it.  It's way too simplistic.
As for researching how to get going in KDE4, WHY should I have to
change the way I do things because the KDE community has decided it's
time to change things?  Sure, change can be good, but the kid of
changes that the KDE team has forced onto their community, which
supports THEM because WE use their product, is not something that
should have been done the way it was.  I've been a supporter of SUSE
for over 9 years and have probably spent over $500 over the years on
the distro.  While I'm not able to help out by programming, I do my
best to beta test as I have time.

> Now one last line: if you didnt like my email, you better start liking
> it right now, right in this moment. Otherwise I will never (and I say
> NEVER) buy chocolate cookies again. From any vendor, not even home
> made. Not a single one. Ever. Maybe vanilla.

Too many times, what works for a majority is discontinued in favor of
the newer, faster, better, etc.  Yes, we may whine about it, but we do
have the right to our opinions.  I feel that KDE4 is't currently up to
the high standards that SUSE has had over the years.  Then again,
releasing 10.1 with a broken package manager wasn't up to the
standards either.  I don't know when KDE4.2 is set to be released, but
I'm in favor of pushing the release of 11.1 back till 6-8 weeks after
4.2 is released so that the best possible product is available.
Sometimes this 6 month development cysle isn't enough.  IF KDE3 is to
be removed, then I say we should have a fully featured KDE4.2 to
replace it with.  And the eye-candy meter to let us easliy select the
amount of eye-candy we want or don't want.
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