Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (475 mails)

[sda <dmitry.serpokryl@xxxxxxxxx>]

> You are all assuming that OSS and the other repos are exactly the same
> thing. It is not. OSS is the release repo, its frozen, it was tested
> (was it? I hope so), its a release, should have minimum release
> quality. Its what people should be using. The other repos are random
> stuff, non tested, use at your own risk, may break your computer, may
> eat you.
>
> So yes, there is a big difference between release and stuff in buld
> service. And no, putting everything together in big repo sounds like a
> terrible idea.

hi.

beg your pardon to interfere this discussion. i'm not an expert, not a
programmer, just a person who wish to have an answers. i asked some
questions long time ago, may be i asked in a wrong place, may be i was 
addressed to a wrong persons. could you please be so kind to help me
find the answers for this particular situation?

the question is: "how to add core EFL/Enlightenment-DR17 into OpenSUSE
distribution?"

and the second one is: "how to add core EFL/E-DR17 as an option for a
OpenSUSE distribution installer?"

now let me explain the situation in details. we're all had an option to
use this repo and explore new Enlightenment (E):

http://download.opensuse.org/pub/opensuse/repositories/X11:/Enlightenment/

it's great and wish to say huge thanks to the maintainers. but the
packages in this repo (imho) always outdated and not so stable as a
person could require from OpenSUSE. i get used it until discovered that
manual build from E-cvs could be much more stable/usable. another point 
is that some software is best when you're using cvs/svn/git/etc. even
RECOMMENDED to be build from cvs. examples - MPlayer, Enlightenment. no
need to freeze the snapshot and backport the fixes - just rebuild from
source tree and you're fine.

finally decided to contribute to OpenSUSE (the distro i'm using since
version 8.2). what is already done:

1) two repositories are up and running (for 10.3 and 11.0 mostly):

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dmitry_serpokryl:/Enlightenment-cvs-core-metapackage/

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dmitry_serpokryl:/SOAD/

(last one is for OpenSUSE-10.3 only)
packages contain a patch for proper UTF-8 handling and other minor ones.
repos contain 'One Click Install' files. example:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dmitry_serpokryl:/Enlightenment-cvs-core-metapackage/openSUSE_11.0/E17_Base.ymp

also it's possible for all Enlightenment related packages (E16 and E17)
to install .src.rpm, rebuild and receive the current cvs code ready for
installation. the example of rebuild script is shown here:

http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/388815-enlightenment-dr-16-dr-17-a-3.html#post1853367

2) EFL/Enlightenment Live CD was created using 'kiwi' (download page):

http://sda.scwlab.com/

'webalizer' stats show that more than 11000 hits was made in July'08 and
iso was downloaded approx 4000 times. can't say exactly because the size 
of iso was not constant (yep, updates took place). 

3) opened the thread in OpenSUSE forum to provide the support for users:

http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/388815-enlightenment-dr-16-dr-17-a.html

conclusion (imho of cource):

a) the best distribution of EFL/E is provided for OpenSUSE-10.3/11.0 users

b) looks like now i'm de-facto the only maintainer of EFL/E for OpenSUSE
10.3 and 11.0 

now back to the case. i asked what should i do next and not received a
single response on my email (Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:48:53 +0400,
From: sda <dmitry.serpokryl@xxxxxxxxx>, To:opensuse-packaging@xxxxxxxxxxxx,
Subject: Re: [opensuse-packaging] Packages check for compliance). 

that's the story. i'd appreciate ANY response and hope that in case of
negative ones i'd be able to see the reasons and improve my modest 
contribution.

no doubt that .spec files could be improved. i'm not going to say that i
did all in the way of strict compliance also. but something is done,
packages are up to the current cvs, i test the stability of cvs snapshot
before upload to OBS and no complains yet from users.

best regards.
dmitry serpokryl (sda aka sda00)

> I dont have 14 repos. I have only the classic oss+packman+updates
> repos, and a couple of RPMs that came from buildservice or customs,
> which is what people more or less should stick to, if you ask me. If
> not, there is no purpose of having a release, we could just be using
> factory and complaining about brokenness on continuous upgrading,
> which is what happens in debian anyway...
>
> The repos are separated for a reason.
>
> Marcio
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