Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (904 mails)

[Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 April 2008 19:15, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:41 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > My email is maintained in *one* location, filters and all, my home
> > > computer which is accessable from anywhere via ssh.  You are making
> > > it hard for no reason.
> >
> > OK, I have 2 questions:
> >
> > 1) Why is this being discussed on the Factory mailinglist? Isn't this
> > something for opensuse-project?
>
> It cuts across all mailing lists (SuSE and beyond).

I am on over 150 email lists and only two have the broken method you want.
I really want it to stay the way it is.  I use ssh and flash drives for
accessing from other computers.  I do not want to install anything on
other computers.  Also, I do not trust them.  I want everything encrypted
and trusted.  This open web is easy access you your systems.

> > 2) Do you seriously think most users, even those subscribing to a
> > mailinglist, would seriously set up ssh to access their email, when
> > free webmail is so much easier?

Easier? not really, I have to use insecure web program that maybe
infected, Not as easy as having a flash driver with everything needed
configures, secured and using the same program every where.  I can also
send a private email when necessary.  A lot better thought-out and useful
method.

> Easy is often wrong. In this case, it most certainly is. If central
> authorities (such as those that manage this list) continue to give in
> to this sort of degradation of practice, we'll end up with mush. I
> applaud Henne V. who refuses to succumb to these slothful user
> requests.
>
> Most lists capitulate to this crap, and they're predictably crappy.
> Worse than the Reply-To crap is the thread hijacking crap. Those whose
> mailers implement the pertinent standards relating to threading get
> mailboxes full of this crap while users of GMail and Outlook / Outlook
> Express are ignorant of the chaos they perpetrate. I have to deal with
> people who say "Start a new thread: All you have to do is use 'Reply'
> and then change the Subject." !! Gag me!

+2  I agrees totally.

> The SuSE lists used to demand a higher standard, but in the past few
> years that has changed. People like me and Patrick S. who wish to
> maintain standards, both civil and technological, are losing the
> battle.
>
> Sad, but true.

+1  You not the only one's.  We really need to maintain the standards if
we are going to get email fixed.  Until it is fixed it will be bug/spam
ridden.

> This crap is why I now advocate the use of bulletin-board-style forums
> instead of mailing lists.

I understand that, I prefer gated forums, so those of us that do not want
to be on the forum with a browser do not have to be,  I have everything
filtered into the folders I want.  I do not really want to go to a method
that has so many problems and breaks standards.  So I am very against any
change to the current behavior.

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Boyd Gerber <gerberb@xxxxxxxxx>
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