Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (904 mails)

["Benji Weber" <benji@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/04/2008, Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  -------- Original Message --------
>  Subject:        [opensuse-offtopic] Some things for the SUSE team to pay
> attention to!
>  Date:   Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:09:44 -0400
>  From:   Fred A. Miller <fmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Reply-To:       fmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  To:     opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>
>  The following is from another elist.....honest and accurate comments. Why
> is Ubuntu/Kubuntu so popular? It just works.
>
>  Fred
>
>  ------------------------------------
>
>
> > > > Does anyone here know what package I need to install to get KDE 4
> > > > > > > on SuSE
> > > > > > > 10.2?
> > > >
> > > > >     Select "gnome." That will let you skip over KDE 4 to KDE 5!  ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Funny...........not!  ;)  You'll see KDE4, "gold" release," for
>  openSUSE
>
> > > 10.3 before all that long....after that, maybe 10.2. In fact, I can't
> > > say for sure that you will see it any time soon......don't know. I'd
> > > upgrade to 10.3 if I were you David.
>
>  I made a mistake, I am running 10.3. My brain is going and going these
>  days.  ;-)
>
>  Kubuntu is my main enviroment, and I love it. I'm just checking out SuSE on
> an
>  extra partition to see if it would be any better than kubuntu as far as
> ease
>  of use.
>
>  So far getting my wireless on my laptop working with SuSE wasn't too hard,
> but
>  kubuntu is 1 click. With SuSE all the how-to's I read everyone is still
>  suggesting using ndiswrapper which involves cleaning up all the bcmxx stuff
>  first then hunting down the drivers to use with ndiswrapper, installing
>  ndiswrapper and finally configuring ndiswrapper, but with kubuntu it just
>  downloads the firmware automatically and wireless works.
>
>  I experimented with this, I found out where Kubuntu is getting that
> firmware
>  and downloaded it and extracted it in /lib/firmware on SuSE and the
> wireless
>  card instantly worked. Maybe SuSE should look into something like that. So
>  far the way I see other suse users getting their bcmxx wireless working on
>  SuSE makes me feel sorry for them. If only they knew that all they had to
> do
>  was download 1 file and stick it in their firmware folder they would be set
>  and ready to go. I wish I could tell *EVERY* bcmxx suse user about this.

I helped someone set one of these cards up on IRC this week, just a
matter of installing
http://packman.links2linux.de/package/bcm43xx-firmware . The firmware
can't be distributed by suse for legal reasons. Presumably even on
kubuntu one needs to know to install the appropriate firmware package,
or does it suggest it automatically?

>  Another thing is apt. Oh boy do I miss apt when working in SuSE. I know
>  there's probably an equivilent for SuSE, like YUM or such, but I don't know
>  how to use it as good as I do apt.
>
>  Anyway I'm rambling on and on. Back to my original question, the reason I
>  asked about installing KDE 4 on SuSE was to again see how easy it was to
>  upgrade KDE on SuSE. So far the instructions on SuSE's website was only
>  adding the repository. So I did that, no problem. The problem is that as
> far
>  as I can tell, using the software installer, I still have to hunt down the
>  KDE core packages just to get a working KDE desktop and on top of that,
> most
>  people, including me have no idea which package(s) is the core package(s).
> I
>  chose a few packages in yast that I thought were the core packages to get a
>  minimal kde 4 desktop, but I don't know if they were the correct packages
>  because I logged out and there was no entry for KDE 4, so I suspect 1 of 2
>  things,
>
>  1. I either didn't install the correct packages or
>  2. I installed the correct packages, but SuSE does not automatically put an
>  entry in the menu on the login screen.
>
>  If the latter is the case, I would have no clue where to even start to add
> a
>  menu entry. and if I did have to manually add it, that would be another
> show
>  stopper for me with SuSE. With apt, I just installed the kde4-desktop and
> it
>  installed everything for a working desktop, logged out chose kde 4 and
> logged
>  in. It's that simple. Is this possible with SuSE? If so, what package would
>  that be, because I can't seem to find the kde-desktop package in YaST.

You can install the kde4_basis pattern with yast or zypper, or "KDE
4.0 Basis" using the buildservice kde repository. I don't see how this
is a suse problem because you knew what the name of the metapackage
was on kubuntu, you looked harder on kubuntu. There's also the one
click install on http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4 . Either method adds kde4
to the login page. Somehow this person knew to install "kde4-desktop"
in kubuntu instinctively, but did not bother to look at either the kde
wiki page, ask on IRC, or ask on the mailing list as to what the
equivalent is on openSUSE?

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Benjamin Weber
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