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[opensuse-factory] [Fwd: [opensuse-offtopic] Some things for the SUSE team to pay attention to!]
- From: Basil Chupin <blchupin@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:27:59 +1000
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Subject: [opensuse-offtopic] Some things for the SUSE team to pay attention to!
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:09:44 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <fmiller@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: opensuse-offtopic <opensuse-offtopic@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
The following is from another elist.....honest and accurate comments. Why is Ubuntu/Kubuntu so popular? It just works.
openSUSE>Does anyone here know what package I need to install to get KDE 4> >
> >> on SuSE
> >> 10.2?
> > Select "gnome." That will let you skip over KDE 4 to KDE 5! ;-)
> Funny...........not! ;) You'll see KDE4, "gold" release," for
> 10.3 before all that long....after that, maybe 10.2. In fact, I can't
> say for sure that you will see it any time soon......don't know. I'd
> upgrade to 10.3 if I were you David.
I made a mistake, I am running 10.3. My brain is going and going these
Kubuntu is my main enviroment, and I love it. I'm just checking out SuSE on an
extra partition to see if it would be any better than kubuntu as far as ease
So far getting my wireless on my laptop working with SuSE wasn't too hard, but
kubuntu is 1 click. With SuSE all the how-to's I read everyone is still
suggesting using ndiswrapper which involves cleaning up all the bcmxx stuff
first then hunting down the drivers to use with ndiswrapper, installing
ndiswrapper and finally configuring ndiswrapper, but with kubuntu it just
downloads the firmware automatically and wireless works.
I experimented with this, I found out where Kubuntu is getting that firmware
and downloaded it and extracted it in /lib/firmware on SuSE and the wireless
card instantly worked. Maybe SuSE should look into something like that. So
far the way I see other suse users getting their bcmxx wireless working on
SuSE makes me feel sorry for them. If only they knew that all they had to do
was download 1 file and stick it in their firmware folder they would be set
and ready to go. I wish I could tell *EVERY* bcmxx suse user about this.
Another thing is apt. Oh boy do I miss apt when working in SuSE. I know
there's probably an equivilent for SuSE, like YUM or such, but I don't know
how to use it as good as I do apt.
Anyway I'm rambling on and on. Back to my original question, the reason I
asked about installing KDE 4 on SuSE was to again see how easy it was to
upgrade KDE on SuSE. So far the instructions on SuSE's website was only
adding the repository. So I did that, no problem. The problem is that as far
as I can tell, using the software installer, I still have to hunt down the
KDE core packages just to get a working KDE desktop and on top of that, most
people, including me have no idea which package(s) is the core package(s). I
chose a few packages in yast that I thought were the core packages to get a
minimal kde 4 desktop, but I don't know if they were the correct packages
because I logged out and there was no entry for KDE 4, so I suspect 1 of 2
1. I either didn't install the correct packages or
2. I installed the correct packages, but SuSE does not automatically put an
entry in the menu on the login screen.
If the latter is the case, I would have no clue where to even start to add a
menu entry. and if I did have to manually add it, that would be another show
stopper for me with SuSE. With apt, I just installed the kde4-desktop and it
installed everything for a working desktop, logged out chose kde 4 and logged
in. It's that simple. Is this possible with SuSE? If so, what package would
that be, because I can't seem to find the kde-desktop package in YaST.
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