Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (626 mails)

[Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov@xxxxxxx>]

Dňa Monday 10 March 2008 13:12:28 Felix-Nicolai Müller ste napísal:
> Martin Schlander schrieb:
> | Mandag den 10. Marts 2008 11:17:45 skrev Lukas Ocilka:
> |> I've just finished a blog entry [0] about how we were able to get rid of
> |> the second stage of installation. Our proposal has been already
> |> published at Stano's blog [1]. My blog currently shows a real
> |> applications of that proposal.
> |
> | You guys think that removing for example adding of update repo from
> | installation and forcing the user to figure out himself how to do it
>
> manually
>
> | later, will make openSUSE easier for people to use? Isn't ~everybody
> | _supposed_ to set up update repo sometime anyway?
> |
> | Likewise for the hardware configuration step. Even if you don't need
>
> to change
>
> | the settings, it's very nice to have an overview showing that
>
> everything has
>
> | been identified and configured correctly before you finish installation.
> |
> | To me this looks a little bit like a case of making things so simple,
>
> that
>
> | they actually become more difficult and painful.
> | ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I fully agree. In the end it will be like Ubuntu with a normal
> installation CD that might just do whatever it wants and therefore break
> someones system by e.g. automatically overwriting the MBR. So if it is
> done this way I guess we will also need and alternate installation CD
> where you can set the settings you like (like Ubuntu has got, for the
> cases where their automation will actually make it impossible to install
> the system).

Please, read the blogs. This is about 2nd stage of installation, bootloader 
handling is not touched at all.

> Remember the days where SuSEconfig was overwriting files, etc. This was
> a strong reason for people not to use openSUSE. If people want
> everything to be fully automated, they should choose a different distro...
>
> In my eyes, this is a typical example of taking away the control from
> the user and copying Ubuntu. openSUSE has got a userbase because it is
> openSUSE where people have a choice. If this userbase wanted something
> else, they would probably use a different distro that makes it even
> simpler than it is not on factory.
>
> It really should not matter if it takes 40 or 50 minutes to install a
> system if everything has been set up the way you want it after 50
> minutes. This really reminds me of windows where you have to install the
> system and than set it up (which takes an awful lot of time due to the
> configuration settings not being in one place).

There are still pieces you cannot configure during installation and 
integrating all of them is not feasible.

I would like to hear a discussion about each of the steps in the 2nd stage, 
not generalizing. Yes, me and Lukas got this to extreme to show what is 
possible and now we are looking for feedback.

Stano
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