Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (626 mails)

[Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Am Montag, 3. März 2008 schrieb Alex:

> 1. When doing a factory update, zypper always insists on updating a few
> packages which definitely are already installed in the newest version. E.g.
> for bash or perl-base (and quite a few other packages), zypper with every
> update reproducably installs the same version of this packages over and
> over again.
There is a bug report about that one. It has nothing to do with the solver, 
but with the distupgrade algorithm.

> 2. Dependancies: Are there plans when a less greedy solver stragegy will be
> implemented? Right now, everything which is "recommended" will be
> installed, or pulled in when doing an update. Thus every factory update
> takes much time to download, it takes unnecessary disk space, and basically
> makes handling a clean and up-to-date factory system a pain.
You can lock the package, try man zypper

> Why should I as a non-developper need gdb? Or kdelibs-doc and
gdb = because the crash dialog will create a backtrace for you and why would
you want to use factory if not to report bug reports if kde or gnome crashes?

kdelibs-doc = because you want documentation from KDE. This is not to be 
confused with kdelibs3-devel-doc, which is indeed only for developers.

> PolicyKit-doc? Or Java 1.5 besides 1.6? Why do I need a complete 32bit KDE3
> on my 64bit KDE4 system? And so on.
32bit KDE3 = because you might want to view flash sites.

> I'm just complaining because right now a simple factory update on my lean
> system has resulted in an 1,9 GB / 3h download as proposed by YaST, simply
> because zypper deems it necessary to 1) re-install already installed
> packages with the same version and 2) install dozens of additional packages
> I don't need, and keep on deinstalling all the time.

The 1.9GB won't be dominated by kdelibs3-doc, but rather by packages being 
rebuilt as we checked in a new bash. We're still trying to find a good answer
how to rebuild the distribution consistently and not requiring a 2GB download
every week. And it's not zypper's fault, any correct package manager will have
downloaded all these "same version" package - as they have a higher release.
Beside bash and perl-base of course.

Greetings, Stephan
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