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Re: [opensuse-factory] Experience of switching to Factory from Ubuntu
- From: Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:56:57 +0100
- Message-id: <1204311417.4411.117.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 21:37 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
yes, they are mineVincent, the author of the page, asked me to clarify that what he wrote
are his opinions. Of course it's the same for what I write. :-)
Note that I only wrote the bottom part of the page, everything else is
relating Rodrigo's experience, I believe.
yes, the way sudo is used in ubuntu makes it very easy for users tosudo should be used by default for a desktop install. It doesn't make
any sense to have the root account. There's an option "Use the same
password for root as the one used for the user" in the installer, but
it's not about sudo, I believe.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was myself a sudo supporter, but someone
with more technical experience than me explained to me that sudo is not
the right way to follow for various security/conceptual reasons, and I
agree. In the end, UNIX has root, and the users should learn to manage
it. It doesn't add complexity if properly explained.
I disagree with the fact that people should have to learn about root. It
makes things more complex for an average desktop user. I know sudo is
not perfect (and PolicyKit will help solve the whole issue in a good
way), but it's good enough in the very short term for desktop users.
Anyway, that's a minor point and it's not the most important one.
manage the system without having to know "who that root user is". Of
course, if Policy Kit fixes it better, we should use it, as long as it
makes it easy for desktop users to manage their systems, which is what
ununtu does with sudo
yes, the plain menu bar looks horrible compared to the upstream one.
the menu bar is completely unusable in openSUSE: icons are too big
(distro patch), and there are tons of submenus (because we use the same
menu config as KDE?)
I think it's related to the idea of offering a comparable choice of
applications to the users on both DE.
Well, it's not about the applications, really. It's just the way the
menu is organized. I need to look at which .menu file is used to
understand why it's done this way.
Most people use main-menu, I guess that's why not many people complained
this (yelp old version) was, IIRC, because of the non-working rarian, so
with only a very short look, I saw many
not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany,
rhythmbox for example.
This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next
release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant
stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not
providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta,
gedit with python support, ...).
The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using
factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.
we're using an old version in the pre-rarian times. Not sure what the
problems were, so we might still be having to ship that old yelp :(
Vincent means, IIRC, the factory version, which is getting updates everyUbuntu is quite good at uploading new packages as soon as upstream
releases (at least, for GNOME). This is really great for a developer
I agree. But I don't want to think to continuous updates to the released
minute, that we all need to test
Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo@xxxxxxxxxx>
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