-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua schreef: |> We are coming along, bit by 64bit, java was the last missing piece.. |> Who is trying to turn the clock back here? | | That's not the point. It would perfect to have everything for 64 bit. We | have not, and we need those tools. | Living without them, or with them affected by serious issues (flash not | working properly, adobe hanging, java not working yet) is just a | nonsense for me. | Plus, having them working out of the box was a big added value of SuSE, | partly lost in 10.3 and probably not back in 11.0, for what I read (not | an official comment on this!). Despite the fact that some apps, which are 'third party', but well integrated in all-day use, are not working allright 'yet', is no, and may *not* ever be a reason to 'Dump' the 64bit os. In 10.3 Flash 9 works OK, PDF Reader works OK, and since last week, Ice-tea. 11.0 has issues because of qt versions? changing towards the future very fast, and: we notice the negative side-effects from the M$/Novell deal, many people that were important for development went another way.. So we have to live with that. Look what has been accomplished in the last few years, amazing! Hardware becoming better and better, and affordable to allmost everybody... Kde4 begins to look and feel realy 'cool', works almost OK, apart from some nasty desktopsettings bugs, but as it seems to me now, with the speed the bugs get killed: We might get ready at the deadline.. The pressure is up, sure, that has to be... Al of this together: No reason to dump 64Bit OS. Wait and see, the performance of a fi 64x2 CPU is magnificent. Would we throw away all the work that has been done to be able to manifacture the cpu's and the software, for a few plugins? I don't think so.. Wait and see, they are going to be ready when realy needed. Just think that we walk a very big step ahead of the masses, we create, and they will follow....and we do not ever quit, until the job is done.. | |> | All users of the "it should just work"-kind should just use 32-bit. I |> even |> | think the dual arch DVD9 should default to 32-bit installation on 64-bit |> | hardware - so we don't have n00bs running 64-bit without even knowing |> it, and |> | wondering why they can't get their homebank to work with Firefox. |> |> This is the most stupid reason i ever heard... | | No, it's not. Many users just don't know/notice the difference between a | 64 bit and a 32 bit system, especially among desktop users. They just | use what the system installs or put the 64 bit version because it's so | cool to use a 64 bit version. Then they complain about lack ofEnigmail | functionalities, and the responsibility is attributed to suse, not | certainly to sun, adobe or whatever else. If, users are turned away from M$ fi, they will learn very quickly, and they will be glad they did... And why wouldn't they use what the system installs? When one chooses the hardware, one chooses the os... At least with linux there is a choice, *and* there is progress! Offcourse they complain, and if we show them the way to the '3th-parties', they will complain there. The more complains, the better the chance, something gets done about it. About Adobe Acrobat we all know that the issues are not only Linux, but M$ as well, 7 did not work at all. A beta version was shipped to the public. Many problems with companies dependable on PDF, but that also got solved. | |> I realy cannot see what on earth this has got to do with it.... |> Windows never succeeded to create a wellworking 64bit version.. |> Linux has, besides the nonsens you write there is the ice tea java 1.7, |> which works allright enough.. | | Java is _part_ of the problem. There are knows issues with flash and | adobe reader as well (see bugzilla). On that side the problem is far | from being solved. There is only one solution: Find, Report and *Kill* the bugs, one by one.. ;) | | With kind regards, | Alberto. Also, Robby. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHxyleX5/X5X6LpDgRAv1LAJ9u66a0t+uz14S7e1vVyEn+c6OeSgCgyLu8 xCFi6ZZKLJ39D/ZndFVNj6k= =bnx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org