Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (464 mails)

[Hubert Figuiere <hfiguiere@xxxxxxxxxx>]

[ Disclaimer: I have used Ubuntu a lot prior joining Novell, but not I 
  have never been employed by them in anyway ]


On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 13:23 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:

> >  To me it's nonsense. The sudo system is a lot more complex and 
> > confusing. You can use your normal password for system administration, then 
> > it's remembered for x amount of time, but only the first user on multiuser 
> > systems can do it. Ubuntu users have no clue what's going on, and very 
> > often 
> > they sudo things that they shouldn't.
>
> Not only the first user can do it. That's a simple checkbox when you
> create a new user. But I agree that sudo is not perfect either (and that
> users tend to use it when they shouldn't -- although I wouldn't say they
> have less clue what's going on than in openSUSE, since it's the same
> with su/root).
>
> > Regular root user is much simpler. Either you're root or your not, either 
> > you 
> > know the root password or you don't. Couldn't possibly be easier to 
> > understand.
>
> Well, I disagree with this since you first have to understand what root
> is and you also have to remember when you're root. That's fine for most
> people on this list, but it's not fine for 90% of the people I know. But
> I've absolutely no problem with keeping the root account. It's just a
> feeling I had when switching from Ubuntu. I'm not claiming it's the best
> way to handle things.

I agree totally with Vincent. Using sudo, properly configured, also
offer the advantage to not have to memorize a second password. You can
still keep the root account.


> > Not having the second level of categorization makes the menu much more 
> > messy 
> > and cluttered. Unless your next great idea is to install only a handful 
> > programs.
>
> Well, it works really well. I very rarely have more than 7 or 10 items
> in a menu. In gnome-main-menu, the app browser doesn't have all those
> subcategories, while we have them in the GNOME menu bar. That sounds
> wrong. This might be something we just want to change on the GNOME side
> of openSUSE.

That one is bugging my like hell, I end up never finding programs
because I don't know how they are categorized. 
Also submenus are always hard to use.

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Hub

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