Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (464 mails)

[Will Stephenson <wstephenson@xxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 27 February 2008 21:37:24 Vincent Untz wrote:
> > > sudo should be used by default for a desktop install. It doesn't make
> > > any sense to have the root account. There's an option "Use the same
> > > password for root as the one used for the user" in the installer, but
> > > it's not about sudo, I believe.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out. I was myself a sudo supporter, but someone
> > with more technical experience than me explained to me that sudo is not
> > the right way to follow for various security/conceptual reasons, and I
> > agree. In the end, UNIX has root, and the users should learn to manage
> > it. It doesn't add complexity if properly explained.
>
> I disagree with the fact that people should have to learn about root. It
> makes things more complex for an average desktop user. I know sudo is
> not perfect (and PolicyKit will help solve the whole issue in a good
> way), but it's good enough in the very short term for desktop users.

If PolicyKit does solve the desktop-privileged actions case in the medium 
term, we should stick with root for consistency with previous openSUSE 
releases and SLES (I don't see that changing to sudo) until then. 

> > > with only a very short look, I saw many
> > > not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany,
> > > rhythmbox for example.
> >
> > This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next
> > release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant
> > stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not
> > providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta,
> > gedit with python support, ...).
>
> The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using
> factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.
>
> > > Ubuntu is quite good at uploading new packages as soon as upstream
> > > releases (at least, for GNOME). This is really great for a developer
> > > like me.
> >
> > I agree. But I don't want to think to continuous updates to the released
> > version ;-)

I think the policy is very relaxed - just 'packagers should update their 
packages in a timely manner' which leads to inconsistent update frequency 
across different parts of the distro as packagers have different priorities 
which product to concentrate on.  In the KDE team we cultivate a reputation 
of having the latest KDE packages before other distros.

Will

-- 
Will Stephenson
Desktop Engineer
KDE Team
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