Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (464 mails)

[Alberto Passalacqua <alberto.passalacqua@xxxxxx>]

> Note that I only wrote the bottom part of the page, everything else is
> relating Rodrigo's experience, I believe.
>
> Also, I updated a bit the wiki page to clarify things that were unclear
> (I wrote the page in a rush, while waiting for some compilation to
> finish). So some of the things you quoted have changed a bit ;-)

Hehe, OK. Sorry for not having asked what was your part.

> Having one full-featured DVD is great in some ways, I agree. But we also
> already provide GNOME/KDE CD. We can improve things for them.

I agree.

> Well, the new version of the installer doesn't take much longer than
> Ubuntu. And again, it's a good step in the right direction. But we can
> still improve :-) I'll file bugs/mail the yast list about this once I'll
> be done with a new installation.

Can you link them here? :-)

> Agree. But if we make it use sudo, it's a bit better :-)

Yes. Just expect a sort of revolution by old time users (not me) :-)

> Hrm, if there's only one OS (in our case, openSUSE), the only other
> choice is failsafe. 10 seconds is really long for this...
>
> The a11y argument is good. I didn't think of it. 

We might ask suseRocks on IRC about this.

> > > Ubuntu uses brown as the color for the root window when starting GDM
> > > (it's a gdm config option, I believe). It helps with the transition
> > > from the brown gdm theme to the brown default background on the user
> > > desktop. In openSUSE, we still use the greyish blue. It should be some
> > > green.
> >
> > Hehe I love green, so I agree. But green is not much appreciated by
> > various users, who switched back to blue or personalised backgrounds. 
>
> I suggested green because the default gdm theme is green :-)

Yes. I meant it's not easy to do that in general. But for the default, I
agree.

> Well, it's not about the applications, really. It's just the way the
> menu is organized. I need to look at which .menu file is used to
> understand why it's done this way.

Ah ok. I misunderstood. 

> (I'm not using gnome-main-menu so I can't comment)

Hehe. Good for you :-)

> The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using
> factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.

Ah ok. That's something I didn't know.

> Actually, Ubuntu puts this in some multiverse repository which is about
> non-free/non-legal-in-some-countries packages. That's a bit like
> non-OSS, I guess. But the result still feels integrated, as if there
> were only one repository.

Yes. I think this is a question of optimizing mainly the interface of
the package manager (see other thread :)) 

> > > I couldn't find all gstreamer plugins for factory... So no multimedia
> > > experience for me.
> >
> > This depends on the fact that those plugins can't be hosted in -factory
> > for the same legal reasons they're not provided with the distribution.
> > Moreover they're packaged by non-Novell related guys.
>
> Yes, I understand the problem. That's still an issue for users, so we
> should try to provide something. It doesn't need to be hosted by Novell.

Yes. The solution for now was 1-click. But I agree, it's not something
you easily find.


> > > there are tons of installed packages by default that don't make any
> > > sense. Some graphical ones (gftp? skencil?), some non-graphical (tcsh,
> > > ksh, zsh: do we really need all shells by default?)
> >
> > Well, except gftp (the only decent FTP client for GNOME), the rest
> > should be removed. It's ages we get the complaint of suse having this
> > issue.
>
> I'd be interested to know why nautilus doesn't work fine as a ftp
> client. That's a discussion for opensuse-gnome, though.

Yeah. Feel free to open that discussion. Nautilus is always slow when it
does network operations on suse. That's a general issue (samba, ftp,
ssh). If you need help testing things, just poke me in IRC (albertop).


> The packages I put on the wiki are just examples, and I'd sure that
> checking the whole list of installed packages can give you others.

Oh I know. I tried to suggest myself at the beginning of my experience
in the opensuse community...without results. :)

> Keeping the firewall with an easier configuration would be a cool
> solution, yes.

I fully agree. You find a widely open door on my side. It's another
issue for which I tried to push a bit, without results.

> Keep in mind that I'm really talking about the average desktop users.
> Such a user won't know what apparmor is and exposing too many things he
> doesn't know will kill his user experience. He won't ignore it. He will
> look at it, wonder what this is about, think he's doing something wrong,
> etc. If we want to expose the apparmor features, it should be done in
> some places where it makes sense, not in the first place where user
> look.

I think a huge terrifying warning should be enough :)

Regards,
Alberto

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