Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (464 mails)

[Dirk Mueller <dmueller@xxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday 27 February 2008, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

> > the menu bar is completely unusable in openSUSE: icons are too big
> > (distro patch), and there are tons of submenus (because we use the same
> > menu config as KDE?)

openSUSE/KDE would definitely not object to a simplified application menu 
hierarchy. It is something that should be improved - but wisely. 

> > not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany,
> > rhythmbox for example.
> This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next
> release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant
> stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not
> providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta,
> gedit with python support, ...).

I think you're confusing things: packages in factory should be updated, and 
they should be updated early and often to catch regressions. usually you'll 
find the updated packages in the buildservice first though before they end up 
in factory, so that the biggest issues are already ironed out. I think thats 
a good compromise. 

> > when I update openSUSE with "zypper dup", I have to download nearly 1GB
> > of packages. I seriously doubt that all of them were updated. It takes
> > me hours to get all updates... (slow DSL line)

use deltarpms. I think it is actually a bug that we don't produce them for 
factory distribution - I don't know why actually.

> > the Ubuntu development version is nearly never broken. Factory is
> > always broken in some way (still usable, but either no network, or
> > uninstallable updates, or impossible to mount a usb key, etc.).
> Another historical issue. I always read/experienced these issues.

a henn/egg problem: if nobody uses factory, nobody fixes factory..  somewhen I 
do want to launch the "use factory" campaign. 


Greetings,
Dirk

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