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Re: [opensuse-factory] Are we supposed to be moving this fast?
- From: "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:53:05 +0100 (CET)
- Message-id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703061244490.23564@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Tuesday 2007-03-06 at 12:01 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
> Looks like a case where the hardware manufacturer can't be bothered anymore to
> fix its own BIOS, but SUSE or the kernel devs should work around the bugs in
> it. They usually do, but I have to say that it's not fair to SUSE. Hardware
> manufacturer should take care of its shit until the customer is done using
> it. If you're prepared to accept that the manufacturer will not do that, why
> not accept that SUSE can't do that either? I'd rather know that kernel
> devs--people with valuable knowledge--spend their time working on important
> stuff rather than toiling at workarounds for obscure bugs in ancient BIOSes.
> The bigger the generation gap between hardware and software, the harder it
> becomes to make it work, it's a rule. So if you really need to reinstall the
> OS on some old junk, it means it's time to get rid of the junk.
It has always been a selling point for Linux to say that it supported
older hardware, giving it a new life. And surely, Per is talking of
Pentium IV class machines, those are not so old!
I'd force developers to use five year old machines (minimum!), so they'd
care a bit more for us... :-P
Or, shall we need to have Vista class machines in order to run Linux?
> > ISA-support:
> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231191
>
> :-(
> ISA support, come on! Even worse, ISA PnP, what a nightmare...
There are quite a few high end industrial machines still using very
expensive isa cards.
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Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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The Tuesday 2007-03-06 at 12:01 +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
> Looks like a case where the hardware manufacturer can't be bothered anymore to
> fix its own BIOS, but SUSE or the kernel devs should work around the bugs in
> it. They usually do, but I have to say that it's not fair to SUSE. Hardware
> manufacturer should take care of its shit until the customer is done using
> it. If you're prepared to accept that the manufacturer will not do that, why
> not accept that SUSE can't do that either? I'd rather know that kernel
> devs--people with valuable knowledge--spend their time working on important
> stuff rather than toiling at workarounds for obscure bugs in ancient BIOSes.
> The bigger the generation gap between hardware and software, the harder it
> becomes to make it work, it's a rule. So if you really need to reinstall the
> OS on some old junk, it means it's time to get rid of the junk.
It has always been a selling point for Linux to say that it supported
older hardware, giving it a new life. And surely, Per is talking of
Pentium IV class machines, those are not so old!
I'd force developers to use five year old machines (minimum!), so they'd
care a bit more for us... :-P
Or, shall we need to have Vista class machines in order to run Linux?
> > ISA-support:
> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231191
>
> :-(
> ISA support, come on! Even worse, ISA PnP, what a nightmare...
There are quite a few high end industrial machines still using very
expensive isa cards.
- --
Cheers,
Carlos E. R.
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