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Re: [opensuse-factory] Are we supposed to be moving this fast?
  • From: Silviu Marin-Caea <silviu_marin-caea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:01:06 +0200
  • Message-id: <200703061201.06475.silviu_marin-caea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Tuesday 06 March 2007 09:21:43 am Per Jessen wrote:
> Greg KH wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 08:39:20PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
> >> I've had a couple bug reports closed with WONTFIX, despite the
> >> reports being perfectly documented and diagnosed.
> >> To summarise the reasoning - "your hardware is too old or buggy, so
> >> we can't be bothered". I operate a 7x24 production environment with
> >> a few thousand customers, so I understand the reasoning with respect
> >> to aiming for an SLES release. I have also not reopened any of those
> >> bugreports.
> >>
> >> But - is it right for openSUSE to move towards an environment where
> >> only recent hardware is supported properly? The hardware I'm talking
> >> about is datacentre-level servers (Compaq mostly), up to 7 or 8 years
> >> old.
> >
> > Do you have specific bug numbers showing the hardware you are having
> > problems with?
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> here's a couple of examples:
>
> DMI-bug:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204147

Looks like a case where the hardware manufacturer can't be bothered anymore to
fix its own BIOS, but SUSE or the kernel devs should work around the bugs in
it. They usually do, but I have to say that it's not fair to SUSE. Hardware
manufacturer should take care of its shit until the customer is done using
it. If you're prepared to accept that the manufacturer will not do that, why
not accept that SUSE can't do that either? I'd rather know that kernel
devs--people with valuable knowledge--spend their time working on important
stuff rather than toiling at workarounds for obscure bugs in ancient BIOSes.
The bigger the generation gap between hardware and software, the harder it
becomes to make it work, it's a rule. So if you really need to reinstall the
OS on some old junk, it means it's time to get rid of the junk.

> ISA-support:
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=231191

:-(
ISA support, come on! Even worse, ISA PnP, what a nightmare...

> None of these are showstoppers, there are known work-arounds - I just
> thought I was beginning to see a trend. I know I've got another one
> around to do with shared IDE IRQs and libata or something like that. I
> can't find it right now, but that one's more important.

That might be valid.

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