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Re: [opensuse-factory] tiny-nvidia-installer removed from factory
- From: Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:00:52 +0100
- Message-id: <454A78A4.7030500@xxxxxxxxx>
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Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:42:02PM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
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>> Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:17:53PM +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
>>>> Torsdag 02 november 2006 10:33 skrev Stefan Dirsch:
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:55:22AM -0000, B.Weber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>> I suspect it's unlikely packman would want to host these as they're dodgy
>>>>>> both legally and morally. Only nvidia should have to take the risk.
>>>>>> (Although no-one seems to have sued Debian and canonical yet)
>>>>> Hmm. Sure that Debian/Ubuntu provides prebuilt NVIDIA packages?
>>>> I'm pretty sure packages exist for Ubuntu, although they might be 3rd party.
>>>> I'm absolutely sure FC have them via the 3rd party ilvna repo:
>>>> http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/i386/
>>> Both of these are third party packages, Ubuntu was forced to stop
>>> shipping their pre-built packages a while ago for the obvious legal
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to take the legal risk on their own, sure, feel free to
>>> take it on.
>>>
>>> But good luck, some of us kernel developers take this kind of
>>> infringement quite seriously...
>>
>> Greg, thanks for threatening.
>
> How is the fact that I consider the distribution of a pre-built nvidia
> driver that links against my copyrighted GPL code a "threat" when it is
> others that are doing the illegal act?
No legal actions are been taken against nvidia, but you threaten a team
of people who have been making packages for SUSE Linux since many years,
in their free time.
How cool is that.
> Am I supposed to just turn a blind eye to others who violate the license
> of the code that I release under the GPL?
Tell that to nvidia.
You know exactly that this is currently a totally grey zone. You are not
suing nor being able to sort it out with nvidia for some reasons
(although it's nvidia that should sort it out with you, no question) -
maybe the right ones, maybe the wrong ones.
You're not attacking them, but you're threatening to take legal action
against a community project that provides packages of exactly the same
thing ?
Wow, you're my hero.
> Would any closed-source company do the same if it was the other way
> around? So, why is it such a "bad" thing for us to protect our
> licenses?
Read above, you're simplifying the context.
I'm not questioning the GPL nor the fact that it is your work and you
put it under whatever license you want. I don't question either that it
is perfectly fine that you enforce your rights under that license.
> I've said all of this and more many times in the past, in public, it's
> not like no one knows where I stand on this issue :)
Sure.
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-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
/\\ <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx> <guru@xxxxxxxxxxx>
_\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
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Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 11:42:02PM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
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>> Greg KH wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:17:53PM +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
>>>> Torsdag 02 november 2006 10:33 skrev Stefan Dirsch:
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 08:55:22AM -0000, B.Weber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>> I suspect it's unlikely packman would want to host these as they're dodgy
>>>>>> both legally and morally. Only nvidia should have to take the risk.
>>>>>> (Although no-one seems to have sued Debian and canonical yet)
>>>>> Hmm. Sure that Debian/Ubuntu provides prebuilt NVIDIA packages?
>>>> I'm pretty sure packages exist for Ubuntu, although they might be 3rd party.
>>>> I'm absolutely sure FC have them via the 3rd party ilvna repo:
>>>> http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/i386/
>>> Both of these are third party packages, Ubuntu was forced to stop
>>> shipping their pre-built packages a while ago for the obvious legal
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> If anyone wants to take the legal risk on their own, sure, feel free to
>>> take it on.
>>>
>>> But good luck, some of us kernel developers take this kind of
>>> infringement quite seriously...
>>
>> Greg, thanks for threatening.
>
> How is the fact that I consider the distribution of a pre-built nvidia
> driver that links against my copyrighted GPL code a "threat" when it is
> others that are doing the illegal act?
No legal actions are been taken against nvidia, but you threaten a team
of people who have been making packages for SUSE Linux since many years,
in their free time.
How cool is that.
> Am I supposed to just turn a blind eye to others who violate the license
> of the code that I release under the GPL?
Tell that to nvidia.
You know exactly that this is currently a totally grey zone. You are not
suing nor being able to sort it out with nvidia for some reasons
(although it's nvidia that should sort it out with you, no question) -
maybe the right ones, maybe the wrong ones.
You're not attacking them, but you're threatening to take legal action
against a community project that provides packages of exactly the same
thing ?
Wow, you're my hero.
> Would any closed-source company do the same if it was the other way
> around? So, why is it such a "bad" thing for us to protect our
> licenses?
Read above, you're simplifying the context.
I'm not questioning the GPL nor the fact that it is your work and you
put it under whatever license you want. I don't question either that it
is perfectly fine that you enforce your rights under that license.
> I've said all of this and more many times in the past, in public, it's
> not like no one knows where I stand on this issue :)
Sure.
- --
-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
/\\ <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx> <guru@xxxxxxxxxxx>
_\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
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