Now there is no simple way to help new Linux user with installation or configuration problem if I have to see the logs. First I have to explain to user: - how to open console or switch to terminal session, - how to switch to root, - where to find logs, - what to type to get there, - what to type to copy logs in reply message If I want to see only few lines from the log: - how to use "vi" (that is the reason why the vi is not good as only option for basic installed system), - how to find and transfer to mail client information that I want to see. Than after all I can see the log or excerpt from it. Above is the reason that I advertise Midnight Commander. http://en.opensuse.org/Midnight_Commander It is lesser to learn for file browsing, viewing and editing using mc than command line, and it fulfills most of demands for a simple troubleshooting system. The problem is that any of "first aid in case of trouble" articles are written by Linux experts. While they are competent in troubleshooting, they can't go in details needed for novice (see above). Expert answers must be translated to the common language, expanded with common Linux knowledge, by some intermediate person that is able to understand both sides. Better (more elaborated) help application than mc might help everybody in the help chain. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org