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Re: [opensuse-factory] YOU
- From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:43:52 +0100
- Message-id: <m3bqvv4u1z.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Azerion <azerion@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> [...]
> Who is harmed when 10.1 is delayed?
Let me just answer this question - and comment on your specific
problem:
I'm surprised that you see this 20 times, I never had it more than
once or twice - and I do install a lot. So, if during *install* of
packages, you get the box that often (20 times?), then something looks
broken with what you're doing - or the packages. So, when do you
encounter this?
Everything is open source, so patches are welcome to implement this.
Our developers are working on getting everything working correctly -
and spend long days and weekends on this. I consider the open issues
more important than this issue - and would like to give all of us some
"normal" days and well-earned vacation as well.
So, this is not a blocker for me - it's from the usability point of
view not good at all and should be improved - and therefore let's put
this on the list for 10.2.
We've delayed 10.1 already for some time - and SUSE Linux is not just
a software that is released to the ftp server but also a product that
will be sold on the market which gives us extra challenges:
So, our sales and operations people have to do a lot of logistics:
Reserving slots in the fab, getting manuals printed, getting boxes
printed, putting media and manuals into the box - and then shipping it
to distributors that ship it to shops. The distributors and shops
have to get informed about a release, order boxes and sell them - and
we have to do marketing as well... - and a delay would have an impact
on the boxes sold, remember Novell has it's stockholders.
On the other hand, shipping a product that's so broken that nobody
wants to buy it is even worth - and that's why I asked initially about
the state of the product and how you perceive it. I listen to you -
and went today to most of our developers and asked them on their view
of 10.1 and got from most a "go ahead" - and make then a decision and
somebody will not agree with me it but I have to make one. Delay is
one option, shifting priorities is another one - and then there are
bugs that you only find after people have used the product for a
couple of months, or newly found security holes - and that's why we
need patches handling (online update)...
cheers,
Andreas
--
Andreas Jaeger, aj@xxxxxxx, http://www.suse.de/~aj/
SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
> [...]
> Who is harmed when 10.1 is delayed?
Let me just answer this question - and comment on your specific
problem:
I'm surprised that you see this 20 times, I never had it more than
once or twice - and I do install a lot. So, if during *install* of
packages, you get the box that often (20 times?), then something looks
broken with what you're doing - or the packages. So, when do you
encounter this?
Everything is open source, so patches are welcome to implement this.
Our developers are working on getting everything working correctly -
and spend long days and weekends on this. I consider the open issues
more important than this issue - and would like to give all of us some
"normal" days and well-earned vacation as well.
So, this is not a blocker for me - it's from the usability point of
view not good at all and should be improved - and therefore let's put
this on the list for 10.2.
We've delayed 10.1 already for some time - and SUSE Linux is not just
a software that is released to the ftp server but also a product that
will be sold on the market which gives us extra challenges:
So, our sales and operations people have to do a lot of logistics:
Reserving slots in the fab, getting manuals printed, getting boxes
printed, putting media and manuals into the box - and then shipping it
to distributors that ship it to shops. The distributors and shops
have to get informed about a release, order boxes and sell them - and
we have to do marketing as well... - and a delay would have an impact
on the boxes sold, remember Novell has it's stockholders.
On the other hand, shipping a product that's so broken that nobody
wants to buy it is even worth - and that's why I asked initially about
the state of the product and how you perceive it. I listen to you -
and went today to most of our developers and asked them on their view
of 10.1 and got from most a "go ahead" - and make then a decision and
somebody will not agree with me it but I have to make one. Delay is
one option, shifting priorities is another one - and then there are
bugs that you only find after people have used the product for a
couple of months, or newly found security holes - and that's why we
need patches handling (online update)...
cheers,
Andreas
--
Andreas Jaeger, aj@xxxxxxx, http://www.suse.de/~aj/
SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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