Finally managed to get YaST Software Management working (rug still bombing out when trying to add factory, bug raised), when I installed Beta 8, I was just getting media exception errors (bug raised) on gwdg.de and uni-heidelberg.de. Today I managed to add uni as a repository source and went to look to see what had been updated, some packages, such as Windowmaker are older than what was on the Beta 8 CD's and everything else has the same version. It doesn't look like a single core package has been updated according to YaST. Is this really the case or should I raise a bug on this? Dave P.S. I'm slowly getting frustrated, since Beta 4 I haven't been able to update to factory using YaST or rug once :-( -- "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck