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Re: [opensuse-factory] AVM/SUSE/Novell long-term relationship endangered
- From: Kurt Garloff <garloff@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:18:04 +0100
- Message-id: <20060217131804.GR8975@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi H-P,
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:31:33PM +0100, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 12:29 schrieb Carl-Daniel Hailfinger:
> > This only affects a *small* subset of ISDN and DSL cards and exactly
> > one wireless chipset (atheros). I fully expect that the GPL driver
>
> The only wireless chipset/pci card, which handles wpa encryption - cool.
My prism2 works with WPA, as did ipw2x00 when I last tested.
[...]
> > Personally, I think this is entirely acceptable since it reduces
> > support load on SUSE kernel developers (less tainted oopses) and
> > respects the express will of the kernel developing community.
>
> Sure, disappointing customers definitely reduces the support load in
> every company. Such an attitude will actively damage the reputation of
> SUSE and you know - one disappointed customer has much more weight (and
> will spread the word louder) than ten satisfied ones.
I don't think Carl-Daniel wanted to make the point that SUSE kernel
developers want to work less. But they can lose a lot of time with
trying to work on issues that can not be resolved due to the presence
of closed kernel modules. No theory, sad fact of life. I think their
time is better invested if they work on improving the open-source
drivers and get more of them into Linux and the distribution. Long-term
it means better hardware support, not worse.
[...]
> How about
> "New driver architecture - Novells disaster seekers strike back"
Cynicism is always nice :-)
Best,
--
Kurt Garloff, Head Architect, Director SUSE Labs (act.), Novell Inc.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 10:31:33PM +0100, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 12:29 schrieb Carl-Daniel Hailfinger:
> > This only affects a *small* subset of ISDN and DSL cards and exactly
> > one wireless chipset (atheros). I fully expect that the GPL driver
>
> The only wireless chipset/pci card, which handles wpa encryption - cool.
My prism2 works with WPA, as did ipw2x00 when I last tested.
[...]
> > Personally, I think this is entirely acceptable since it reduces
> > support load on SUSE kernel developers (less tainted oopses) and
> > respects the express will of the kernel developing community.
>
> Sure, disappointing customers definitely reduces the support load in
> every company. Such an attitude will actively damage the reputation of
> SUSE and you know - one disappointed customer has much more weight (and
> will spread the word louder) than ten satisfied ones.
I don't think Carl-Daniel wanted to make the point that SUSE kernel
developers want to work less. But they can lose a lot of time with
trying to work on issues that can not be resolved due to the presence
of closed kernel modules. No theory, sad fact of life. I think their
time is better invested if they work on improving the open-source
drivers and get more of them into Linux and the distribution. Long-term
it means better hardware support, not worse.
[...]
> How about
> "New driver architecture - Novells disaster seekers strike back"
Cynicism is always nice :-)
Best,
--
Kurt Garloff, Head Architect, Director SUSE Labs (act.), Novell Inc.
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