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Re: [opensuse-factory] AVM/SUSE/Novell long-term relationship endangered
- From: "Lysander Pensch" <ltpensch@xxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:14:41 +0100 (MET)
- Message-id: <4463.1140074081@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > I don't believe, that AVM will/is able to provide any userspace solution
> > for ISDN fax emulation in the 10.1 timeframe. AFAICS, there's even a
> > framework missing - if possible at all - which would allow this and
> > meet the tight timing requirement of such a task.
>
> If they don't want to provide a userspace solution, they can still
> ship binary only kernel modules. And the infrastructure for that is
> in place. Please look at the following link for details.
> http://www.suse.de/~agruen/KMPM/KernelModulePackagesManual-CODE10.pdf
That does not help the folks owning a USB device, does it? ;-) A kernel
module stays a kernel module even if wrapped nicely! If it the upcoming
kernels really prohibit loading non-GPL USB drivers, there is no way
out: Userspace or being disconnected. IMHO, userspace won't happen.
> > IOW, if a customer asks me for an upgrade of his SUSE and Fritzcard!PCI
> > based fax solution, I have to tell him, that he has to buy an expensive
> > AVM B1 card and throw away the old one, what do you think they will
> > reply to me?
>
> It will work, see above.
Not for everyone, see above.
> I hope this will not damage the reputation of SUSE. I expect that you
> will be able to download all binary only drivers in RPM packages before
> 10.1 hits the shelves. So the only people disappointed will be those
> who don't download the drivers before installing SUSE Linux 10.1 and
> have no other way to obtain these drivers.
... plus those unable to understand that even with a driver at hand,
no connection to the internet can be made. I know, this update to
the kernel USB API is not mainly SUSE's problem (although Greg, the
originator of the patch, works for SUSE/NOVELL ;-)), but the bottom
line is clear: 10.1 will be the no-go-box for many users out there.
I can only hope, that they have a second running installation (i.e.
an installation with Internet connection) available to them...
Take care,
Lysander Pensch
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> > for ISDN fax emulation in the 10.1 timeframe. AFAICS, there's even a
> > framework missing - if possible at all - which would allow this and
> > meet the tight timing requirement of such a task.
>
> If they don't want to provide a userspace solution, they can still
> ship binary only kernel modules. And the infrastructure for that is
> in place. Please look at the following link for details.
> http://www.suse.de/~agruen/KMPM/KernelModulePackagesManual-CODE10.pdf
That does not help the folks owning a USB device, does it? ;-) A kernel
module stays a kernel module even if wrapped nicely! If it the upcoming
kernels really prohibit loading non-GPL USB drivers, there is no way
out: Userspace or being disconnected. IMHO, userspace won't happen.
> > IOW, if a customer asks me for an upgrade of his SUSE and Fritzcard!PCI
> > based fax solution, I have to tell him, that he has to buy an expensive
> > AVM B1 card and throw away the old one, what do you think they will
> > reply to me?
>
> It will work, see above.
Not for everyone, see above.
> I hope this will not damage the reputation of SUSE. I expect that you
> will be able to download all binary only drivers in RPM packages before
> 10.1 hits the shelves. So the only people disappointed will be those
> who don't download the drivers before installing SUSE Linux 10.1 and
> have no other way to obtain these drivers.
... plus those unable to understand that even with a driver at hand,
no connection to the internet can be made. I know, this update to
the kernel USB API is not mainly SUSE's problem (although Greg, the
originator of the patch, works for SUSE/NOVELL ;-)), but the bottom
line is clear: 10.1 will be the no-go-box for many users out there.
I can only hope, that they have a second running installation (i.e.
an installation with Internet connection) available to them...
Take care,
Lysander Pensch
--
DSL-Aktion wegen großer Nachfrage bis 28.2.2006 verlängert:
GMX DSL-Flatrate 1 Jahr kostenlos* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
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