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Re: [opensuse-factory] AVM/SUSE/Novell long-term relationship endangered
- From: David Wright <david.wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:59:41 +0100
- Message-id: <200602150859.41513.david.wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 08:11 schrieb Ulrich Windl:
> On 14 Feb 2006 at 19:50, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Sure, hopefully you already ordered the big fat red warning sticker for
> > the boxed product which explains, that things which just worked before,
> > won't do anymore!
>
> [...]
>
> I'd say that the media only includes GPL software now, and that Internet
> access is needed to download packages from non Novell-supported sites to
> complete the installation (media players, MP3, graphics drivers, modem
> drivers, printer drivers, ISDN, webcams, tuners, etc.).
>
> Maybe some would see that equivalent with "don't buy".
>
> Regards,
> Ulrich
>
Aha, you mean just like Windows? :-P (Setting up my AMD64 machine I needed
internet access for Windows to get the Promise S-ATA driver so Windows would
actually admit there was a hard disk attached to the machine, and the Yukon
NIC driver, that's not to mention it didn't recognise the audio, video,
processor, southbridge, DVD-RAM, PDA, MS Gamevoice, mouse and keyboard
correctly - I suppose I should consider myself lucky the video card, mouse
and keyboard worked with the default drivers, even if poorly. Come to think
of it the only things which were 100% recognised were the floppy drive for
loading the S-ATA driver (and I had to buy one of those, it was a legacy free
PC before XP got its grubby mits on it :-( ) and the DVD-ROM. Then I had to
download the video and audio codecs and install a DVD player and codec...)
Well, not quite that bad then, I suppose, SUSE still has thousands more
drivers included than Windows does, even when excluding the non-GPL Kernel
stuff... But if you are using a piece of hardware (especially modem/ISDN
adapter) that is affected, I guess that it is no consolation that the
manufacturers haven't pulled the thumbs out and worked with Novell/SUSE on a
solution to this problem...
And from what I read on the IRC, it is no non-GPL kernel modules, but we need
clarification on that...
Dave
> On 14 Feb 2006 at 19:50, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Sure, hopefully you already ordered the big fat red warning sticker for
> > the boxed product which explains, that things which just worked before,
> > won't do anymore!
>
> [...]
>
> I'd say that the media only includes GPL software now, and that Internet
> access is needed to download packages from non Novell-supported sites to
> complete the installation (media players, MP3, graphics drivers, modem
> drivers, printer drivers, ISDN, webcams, tuners, etc.).
>
> Maybe some would see that equivalent with "don't buy".
>
> Regards,
> Ulrich
>
Aha, you mean just like Windows? :-P (Setting up my AMD64 machine I needed
internet access for Windows to get the Promise S-ATA driver so Windows would
actually admit there was a hard disk attached to the machine, and the Yukon
NIC driver, that's not to mention it didn't recognise the audio, video,
processor, southbridge, DVD-RAM, PDA, MS Gamevoice, mouse and keyboard
correctly - I suppose I should consider myself lucky the video card, mouse
and keyboard worked with the default drivers, even if poorly. Come to think
of it the only things which were 100% recognised were the floppy drive for
loading the S-ATA driver (and I had to buy one of those, it was a legacy free
PC before XP got its grubby mits on it :-( ) and the DVD-ROM. Then I had to
download the video and audio codecs and install a DVD player and codec...)
Well, not quite that bad then, I suppose, SUSE still has thousands more
drivers included than Windows does, even when excluding the non-GPL Kernel
stuff... But if you are using a piece of hardware (especially modem/ISDN
adapter) that is affected, I guess that it is no consolation that the
manufacturers haven't pulled the thumbs out and worked with Novell/SUSE on a
solution to this problem...
And from what I read on the IRC, it is no non-GPL kernel modules, but we need
clarification on that...
Dave
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