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Te recuerdo que gente del kernel (a sueldo de Novell) ha amenazado con pleitos a quienes han tratado de poner en un repositorio los drivers compilados para usar las tarjetas ATI.
Y recomiendan usar sólo Intel, a causa de sus apertura total, nunca ATI ni NVidia, a quienes han demandado por violar la licencia del kernel - o eso dicen.
Tenes el link donde dice que recomiendan usar intel? Si mal no recuerdo, cuando salió la 11.1, los chips de video mas problematicos eran los de intel, y son tan tontos de recomendar intel?
La ultima vez que hablaron de eso fué en este hilo: Plans and Issues for ATI fglrx Driver for 11.2 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:37:59 -0500 From: David C. Rankin <> Subject: [opensuse-factory] Plans and Issues for ATI fglrx Driver for 11.2? Listmates, There are 2 issues that need to be addressed regarding the fglrx driver and the upcoming 11.2 release. Currently in 11.1, there are many laptop cards supposedly "supported" by the ATI driver that crash or hardlock when the driver is installed. Currently my X1200 is one, the 200 is another from the list (I'm not sure what the technical card architecture is for the "200"). Suffice it to say, this is a significant problem for all affected users. The issues that need to be addressed pre-11.2 are: [es decir, hay tarjetas de ATI que _no_ funcionan en factory, y no irán en la 11.2 - los detalles no los sé, leedlos en fatory] .... [ Susanne, de Novell, sigue el hilo meses más tarde: ] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-06/msg00319.html * Susanne (@novell.com) Finding a project to eventually host the resulting binaries will then be the next step, and we'll need to explain why this is a good thing for the adoption of Linux, and how this actually supports the open source community. Makes sense? [Observad que es una persona de Novell la que pide que alguien hospede un proyecto para suministrar drivers binarios para ATI. Dominique se ofrece ] * Dominique Leuenberger Stefan, any good ideas on how we can achieve this to be 'more automatic' than it is now? Maybe integrating the 'fetch.sh' logic inside the spec file? I'll gladly offer my server for building the RPMs and I can host them on my server too, so we can get our users on track with a good experience... I would even build for Factory, but this would most likely cause some 'issues' on my side, as inter-obs does not link changing base repos that much (it typically end's up in a scheduler look). [gente de SuSE le apoya: ] * Stefan Dirsch <@suse.de>
Stefan, any good ideas on how we can achieve this to be 'more automatic' than it is now? Maybe integrating the 'fetch.sh' logic inside the spec file?
Where is the issue? If you link to openSUSE.org:X11:Drivers:Video, just add the 'real' blobs to the package of your local OBS. [Y Greg les echa el jarro de agua fría: ] * Greg KH <@suse.de> Remember, you can not redistribute these packages, so you better not make them public for anyone else to get :) What you do on your own systems is up to you. good luck, * Stefan Dirsch <@suse.de> So you're going to sue Dominique if he does? * Greg KH <@suse.de> If he redistributes the prebuilt nvidia driver, I will take the same action that I have taken against other individuals and companies that distribute such a thing in the past. Knowingly ignoring someone who violates your copyright doesn't look good if you wish to do future enforcement of your copyright. Or so says my lawyers... thanks, greg k-h * Dominique Leuenberger Dear Greg, Wow, that's a nice attitude from a direct member of the project I was intending to help. Greg: just out of curiosity: did your lawyers finally contact NVidia and ATI? You might be aware that their servers are distributing binary blobs. Just in case you were not aware: Take this mail in it's informative way to let you know about the fact. * Greg KH <@suse.de> My lawyers have contacted them, and many other companies/individuals who have done the same in the past. * Stefan Dirsch <@suse.de> So what have been the results with ATI and NVIDIA? ;-)
Knowingly ignoring someone who violates your copyright doesn't look good if you wish to do future enforcement of your copyright. Or so says my lawyers...
Makes perfectly sense. So Dominique, better forget about your plans. * (sin respuestas) * Susanne (@novell.com) Stefan Dirsch <@suse.de> writes:
Well, get rid of proprietary drivers is what the open source community wants ...
Sigh. Who doesn't? After a few years of trying ot enforce this, how about winning by numbers? for a change, first we gain the market share that we deserve. _then_ we can enforce things. Instead of standing there and demanding changes as if we were big and had a say, while openSUSE users can't use decent graphics. I want to win the war and I'm willing to find a smart solution for this battle, so people can actually _use_ decent graphics. My t41p in front of me worked like a charm with 10.x with fglrx. Now I'm back to no wobbly windows, no transparency, etc. How uncool is this? And Stefan, I know that you know and I'm most certainly not blaming you, you are the most helpfull gfx driver packages guy on the openSUSE planet, and you have my kudos for the work you are doing. I'm just proposing to switch tactics to make openSUSE users happyer that rely on fglrx. * Greg KH <@suse.de> So ignore legal problems before we become big enough? Hah, no such chance, sorry. Remember, it's not just a legal issue: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Kernel_Driver_Statement thanks, greg k-h * el enlace: Kernel Driver Statement From The Linux Foundation Position Statement on Linux Kernel Modules June 2008 We, the undersigned Linux kernel developers, consider any closed-source Linux kernel module or driver to be harmful and undesirable. We have repeatedly found them to be detrimental to Linux users, businesses, and the greater Linux ecosystem. Such modules negate the openness, stability, flexibility, and maintainability of the Linux development model and shut their users off from the expertise of the Linux community. Vendors that provide closed-source kernel modules force their customers to give up key Linux advantages or choose new vendors. Therefore, in order to take full advantage of the cost savings and shared support benefits open source has to offer, we urge vendors to adopt a policy of supporting their customers on Linux with open-source kernel code. We speak only for ourselves, and not for any company we might work for today, have in the past, or will in the future. ... Greg Kroah-Hartman y muchos otros. * Ken Schneider Then provide a working alternative! * Greg KH <@suse.de> Um, we are trying the best that we can, with our limited resources and access to limited specifications. As always, patches gladly accepted. Whines directed to /dev/null. * Peter Nikolic
Whines directed to /dev/null. now that it has to be said is just flippin typical criticise a duff decission and you get dev/nulled nuff said know what i mean ?
* Luis Medinas The alternative is using OSS drivers or just use graphic card that does have OSS drivers. In case of ATI, novell is working on a OSS driver. If you have an nvidia you can use neauveau, intel provides OSS drivers too. There are plenty of options! * Susanne (@novell.com)
Remember, it's not just a legal issue: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Kernel_Driver_Statement
I share this. I relaocated my family and left my friends to work on Open Source. I've just helped Serna, a proprietary xml editor to become open source, after five years of again and again explaining the benefits. So why am I approaching it different from you? two reasons: 1. There is tons of users who happen to have one of these fine cards that need that driver for The Joy of Linux. Our ethically correct hesitance whether it's right or wrong to have this proprietary piece'cr*p in the stack not solving their problem. 2. In one sentence, the graphics driver is the dongle locking high volume high performance gaming cards from the low volume gfx workstations market. With their hat on, would I canibalize this market just to make some open source freaks like Susanne Oberhauser or Greg KH happy? Certainly not. All I say is: let's please solve that end user problem first. ATI and nVidia will, I'm sure, come up with reasonable ideas if the Linux desktop share is growing to 5%, 10%, or more. * (sin respuestas) En fin... Respecto a directamente recomendar gráficas Intel, pues directamente no en este hilo, pero es una cosa que se ha dicho, más o menos directamente, muchas veces. Es lo que quieren, que se use Intel con drivers abiertos, que Nvidia y ATI pierdan negocio, y que terminen por colaborar (dentro de veinte años). ¿Que Intel no tiene 3D decente? ¿Y que? ¿Cuando has visto a un desarrollador del kernel jugando a cosas normales? Para ver el código te basta el modo texto y 'vi' :-P
El nuevo driver Radeon, sirve para toda la linea de tarjetas ATI desde la 9250 a la HD 4890, y ademas soporta 3D.
¿Libre o cerrado? Porque según Rankin, no hay nada, hay tarjetas que simplemente no puedes hacerlas funcionar. O lo hacen mal, sin aceleración o 3D. Y por lo que veo, Camalón también concuerda. - -- Saludos Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpjAGkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UJXwCdH3q7Lra6tRfTAn12UKajcCIW vjQAoJDmUml9S7VcvjNpI212AlsM1TtP =+GAL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----