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Heya

On Mi 06 Mai 2009 15:40:38 CEST James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If we need improvements here, I see the following options:
* improve the current patterns (available in our SVN resp. in the
Education repository as packages patterns-education-desktop and
patterns-education-server)

Only two patterns is educationally USELESS.

Thanks for bringing this up!

http://www.opensuse-education.org/mantis/view.php?id=70

Please see my remark #189 and request for help from 2008-08-05! I see no progress from anyone helping to split the current patterns into peaces. Yes, I've done the initial patterns so please call me a an idiot not having your solution in mind at that time. But as I already noted: "I'm not the one to decide finally which package has to go into another pattern file => this should be something for the mailinglist" - So please do so -NOW! /me is waiting for your proposals...

Using the "Build Studio" to build and store subcomponent\specialized
"task disks" is a much smarter idea.

What is the "Build Studio"?

Think about shipping physical media to the masses and
education for all children. get openSUSE the Distro then get
openSUSE-EDU the add-on , This delivers our system on two disks and that
means low postage and download costs for the "total solution".

And who pays for the pysical media and shipping costs?

My original idea behind the YaST-Education module:
* first provide a solution for home users

The 3 age groups still exist.

Well: kkirill has done a great job adding an age group to each application in our wiki - but what do you mean with "still exist"?

* afterwards think about improving the module (if needed) for a
complete school

Giving children access to what they have in school helps build
confidence in their computing skills. Think school first (eight hrs per
day), home second (6 hrs per day), more importantly think TOTAL
SOLUTION! The NASCAR \ INDY crew chief respects the car designer but
listens to the driver. What would the teacher want? Parents and Teachers
usually share the same goals but teachers are trained to deliver them.

As you are our leader: just give us a direction, give us specifications and we can try to follow with the implementation. As long as nobody stands up and tells me what we *really* wants, I'll drive me direction...
If I think "Schools first" - what's the most important thing that's currently missing?

Studies show that leaving a computer in a child's room is detrimental to
their performance in school. That all computer usage should be in a
family room area. This way questions about their school work can be most
easily be answered. This also helps the child to interact with the
parents for as long as possible every day. These same studies show that
having a TV in a child's room is also detrimental even when the parent
can control content and play time. it's emotionally and physically
isolating which is bad for anyone.

^^^ so we should create a package which destroys a computer in a child's room and leaves it intact if it's in the family room?
Please: I'm technician, I need instructions and no adolescent psychology ;-)

So from my point of view, here's a list of requirements. Main goal:
provide parents with a way to control settings for their children in
openSUSE!

All that takes is for the kiosk tools to work. I have had a running bug
report on Sabayon for two years
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483240 search "Sabayon" in
the main bugzilla for more.

Yes - and the history tells us that you better should start a fork of Sabayon (and a successful one, please) to get this fixed. But maybe there are other ways of limiting system usage for normal users (like "chgrp nochilds /usr/bin/*") which work independent of the windowmanager?

Includes (this is not final):
* activate a "kiosk like" desktop (Sugar?) to simplify the kids desktop
* set system restrictions to allow only launching specific applications
* limit the access to the PC for a set amount of time per day or week
* include "Bedtime" limit (don't use the computer at night...)

All good in the "Primary" or k-6 pattern.

Do we need restriction/application management for the Sugar desktop?
Should the "access time" be part of the YaST-Edu module?

* restrict internet connection:
** use squidGuard for blocking/filtering URLs (or use whitelists)...
** use Firewall settings for blocking/filtering Email, IRC, Chat, ...
** Use a logfile or a "popup" to show kids and parents that (and why)
a webpage is blocked - and "relink" them to a (YaST-) Module to allow
that page (temporary).

Good as a choice on all patterns , however , should have the ability to
be disabled when using an LDAP or other authentication service. This way
schools can manage these things from the infrastructure with group or
object associations.

Right. Even possible with a special homeuser pattern ;-)

In both Active Directory and Novell e-Directory schools these settings
are managed with network tools like Zenworks and Group Policies and can
be in Linux networks too with combinations of tools like group
memberships and Sabayon or the kde kiosk tool. Forcing network protocol
management into the desktop patterns would just mean more to shut off
for the team of people (usually teachers) who manage the PC's using
network based desktop management tools. If the network manager or parent
can go into a tool(sabayon) and add students\children to a new group
that gets access to xyz application, isn't that much easier and useful.

ACK. But I'm thinking about a unique tool (YaST-Education?) working independend of the used windowmanager. (Think about teachers having great Sabayone settings - and students using KDE or console... ;)

With kind regards,
Lars

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