Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-edu (109 mails)

[James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Lars,

> Hi James
>
> On Mi 06 Aug 2008 05:28:02 CEST James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:
> > Now we need to create a real product.
>
> I thought we have it for 10.2 and 10.3 already? ;-)
well we have a really great repository and it's portable too, but the 
Extis server is a real product ;)

> > I had always thought that we could add
> > questions to the YaST installer to make the "add-on" more useful to
> > school IT people and parents.
>
> For this we've currently two options:
> - Use AutoYaST Profiles (someone needs to define them)
> - Create a new YaST-Module (someone needs to write it)
>
>
> > I would like to suggest that we separate
> > the repository into "folders" that represent the install
> > environments|patterns and age groups already defined (see above)
>
> Sorry, I think I don't understand you here.
> Why should we break with the current layout?
> What's wrong with providing RPMs the way openSUSE (and just for
> example) even Fedora does?
> That's what patterns are for: group the available RPMs for the user -
> and hide non-interesting RPMs like libraries. A user should just get
> an "overview" about the 100 usefull packages like GCompris - and not
> all >800(!) packages available in the Education repository (like 
> libopenbabel).
Sorry I misspoke here I meant separate the titles into folders according 
to the patterns for better assignment to the patterns but I saw the wiki 
again today and I think we are good. I have been looking at the raw 
repository to much.;)
> > then
> > if it's possible "inject" questions into the existing YaST module
>
> possible using AutoYaST or a YaST-Module
>
>
> > or
> > create a new YaST installer for the add-on DVD to install these groups.
>
> possible creating a new YaST module.
>
>
> > I'm thinking that putting the DVD into an already running system could
> > "autorun" a web page that contains "One-Click" YMP's and the pattern
> > descriptions.
>
> HM: nice idea! Haven't tried this bevore. But IMO this doesn't allow
> translations. So the web page would always be in german... ;-)
LOL

how about a web page that asks what language you want , then another in 
that language?

> > (could this module also figure out which desktop is used
> > and exclude KDE only packages on a Gnome machine or vice versa?)
>
> This should be possible during the normal installation. Patterns can 
> enhance other patterns - so a gnome-edu pattern can enhance the 
> gnome-base pattern which is installed if you decide to install the 
> GNOME desktop.
> But I'm not a real "pattern guru", so for me it looks like the current 
> pattern files need some rework by a real pattern guru... (anyone 
> around here?)
>
>
> > Thanks for choosing the openSUSE Education ADD-On!
>
> Done by the shown license (and if you want) even the Beta-Popup.
>
>
> > Do you want to build an :
> > education-server
> > y or n
> > kids-education-desktop designed for children ages 4-10
> > y or n
> > youth-education-desktop designed for children ages 11-14
> > y or n
> > secondary education-desktop designed for ages 15 - adult
> > y or n
> > Do you want classroom management tools?
> > y or n
>
> Hm. If we create an insallable media (which means: remaster the 
> original openSUSE DVD), we can add autoyast profiles in the first boot 
> step, so a user will get
> Boot from Harddisc
> Manual Installation
> Install Kids desktop
> Install Youth desktop
> Install Edu Desktop
> Install Server
>
> The help [F1] would give a better description.
WOW, I though that would be way to much work and not show the power of 
"ADD-ON" technology.
but ok!
and the server could be the EXTIS server plus my three favorite apps! 
openSIS, Moodle, openbiblio YA? :)
> > I believe that the desktop\classroom management tools such as italc
> > should be offered as an individual choice.
>
> Speaking "pattern language": italc should be "recommended" or at least 
> "suggested" instead "required".
>
>
>
> > I don't think it's
> > necessary for us subdivide the groups beyond basic age and desktop.
>
> But we should decide which packages should be installed "per default" 
> and which other packages are just "visible" (suggested).
OK, I would do the TUX series and gcompris for the lower "kids" more 
according to what the teachers like.  color shape word and hand to eye 
stuff are very important at that age group.
> > Do we need to create a wiki page that includes a spreadsheet\table that
> > allows us to separate the packeages? example
> > title, gnome, kde, 4-10, 11-14, 15-adult.
> > tuxpaint,yes, , yes, ,
> > then we can know for sure which packages to include in each group.

> Well: that's something that is missing for over a year now. :-)
> Please enhance the tables on
> http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications/Desktop
> with the needed columns.
OK I get it , I've been to busy with the openSIS stuff. most days my 
head is spinning with all the different requirements of testing an SIS.
> With kind regards,
> Lars

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