Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-edu (109 mails)

[Lars Vogdt <lrupp@xxxxxxx>]

Hi James

On Mi 06 Aug 2008 05:28:02 CEST James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Now we need to create a real product.

I thought we have it for 10.2 and 10.3 already? ;-)


> I had always thought that we could add
> questions to the YaST installer to make the "add-on" more useful to
> school IT people and parents.

For this we've currently two options:
- Use AutoYaST Profiles (someone needs to define them)
- Create a new YaST-Module (someone needs to write it)


> I would like to suggest that we separate
> the repository into "folders" that represent the install
> environments|patterns and age groups already defined (see above)

Sorry, I think I don't understand you here.
Why should we break with the current layout?
What's wrong with providing RPMs the way openSUSE (and just for
example) even Fedora does?
That's what patterns are for: group the available RPMs for the user -
and hide non-interesting RPMs like libraries. A user should just get
an "overview" about the 100 usefull packages like GCompris - and not
all >800(!) packages available in the Education repository (like  
libopenbabel).


> then
> if it's possible "inject" questions into the existing YaST module

possible using AutoYaST or a YaST-Module


> or
> create a new YaST installer for the add-on DVD to install these groups.

possible creating a new YaST module.


> I'm thinking that putting the DVD into an already running system could
> "autorun" a web page that contains "One-Click" YMP's and the pattern
> descriptions.

HM: nice idea! Haven't tried this bevore. But IMO this doesn't allow
translations. So the web page would always be in german... ;-)


> (could this module also figure out which desktop is used
> and exclude KDE only packages on a Gnome machine or vice versa?)

This should be possible during the normal installation. Patterns can  
enhance other patterns - so a gnome-edu pattern can enhance the  
gnome-base pattern which is installed if you decide to install the  
GNOME desktop.
But I'm not a real "pattern guru", so for me it looks like the current  
pattern files need some rework by a real pattern guru... (anyone  
around here?)


> Thanks for choosing the openSUSE Education ADD-On!

Done by the shown license (and if you want) even the Beta-Popup.


> Do you want to build an :
> education-server
> y or n
> kids-education-desktop designed for children ages 4-10
> y or n
> youth-education-desktop designed for children ages 11-14
> y or n
> secondary education-desktop designed for ages 15 - adult
> y or n
> Do you want classroom management tools?
> y or n

Hm. If we create an insallable media (which means: remaster the  
original openSUSE DVD), we can add autoyast profiles in the first boot  
step, so a user will get
Boot from Harddisc
Manual Installation
Install Kids desktop
Install Youth desktop
Install Edu Desktop
Install Server

The help [F1] would give a better description.


> I believe that the desktop\classroom management tools such as italc
> should be offered as an individual choice.

Speaking "pattern language": italc should be "recommended" or at least  
"suggested" instead "required".



> I don't think it's
> necessary for us subdivide the groups beyond basic age and desktop.

But we should decide which packages should be installed "per default"  
and which other packages are just "visible" (suggested).


> Do we need to create a wiki page that includes a spreadsheet\table that
> allows us to separate the packeages? example
> title, gnome, kde, 4-10, 11-14, 15-adult.
> tuxpaint,yes, , yes, ,
> then we can know for sure which packages to include in each group.

Well: that's something that is missing for over a year now. :-)
Please enhance the tables on
http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Applications/Desktop
with the needed columns.

With kind regards,
Lars
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