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Re: [opensuse-edu] which programming languages preferred?
- From: James Tremblay <jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:47:16 -0500
- Message-id: <200701011247.16996.jamesat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Monday 01 January 2007 12:12, garry saddington wrote:
> > You and I seem to be on a different thought process about these programs.
>
> I do not think that you fully understand where I am coming from. I am
> well aware of the nature of all these types of programs, but teachers
> must 'try before they buy' as it were. If you are going to tell them
> that they need to have a full Linux install before they can test (I know
> you can always have a web based demo but these are usually, in my
> opinion, much less than optimal at demonstrating the full potential of
> the software) any programs in-house, then you are going to put many off
> even testing the product. If they can download, install and test the
> software on their teacher's laptop you will have a much better chance of
> persuading them to install a production server.
>
how are they less impressive? if a program is web based, it's web based.
> > There are all web based programs and therefore the host makes no
> > difference. The staff and students in my schools are still mostly on M$
> > machines and until I have a decent Client for Netware, are going to stay
> > that way.
> > What I want to affect is the way schools "run" there records keeping
> > operations, If we can build an OpenSource admin suite, and the parts
> > already exist,
>
> If you are in USA? have you tried Open Admin for schools?
> http://richtech.ca/openadmin/
> Or are you looking for more than this?
I have looked at this and it is nice, I am looking to use a COTS (common off
the shelf) approach to building a hybrid suite. To make this suite easier to
manage I would like to use a common programming language and common DB
Centre is working on a MySQL port that would eliminate the last inconsistency.
all will be LAMP products.
>
> > Your comments seem to be generated from an experience of trying to move
> > the desktop to quickly,
>
> On the contrary we have been running Linux on the desktop for four years
> and recently we went totally Linux everywhere and all ICT teaching has
> been on Linux for three years. When I speak of Linux uptake in schools I
> am speaking about experiences of other schools not my own.
> We use Zope and Plone for Intranet/Learning platform and our MIS(SIS)
> has been developed by myself using Zope, Postgres,Apache and many other
> smaller pieces of supporting software and is fully English CBDS
> compliant. I will be releasing it soon, but when I do there will be a
> Windows version and a Linux version for the reasons I have already
> espoused.
are you working with SchoolTool? Would you like to distribute it with full
support of an OS. We can help you optimize it for OpenSUSE.
> My comments are largely through despair at how intransigent some so
> called intelligent people can be!
> Regards
> Garry Saddington
> Skegness Grammar School, England
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> > You and I seem to be on a different thought process about these programs.
>
> I do not think that you fully understand where I am coming from. I am
> well aware of the nature of all these types of programs, but teachers
> must 'try before they buy' as it were. If you are going to tell them
> that they need to have a full Linux install before they can test (I know
> you can always have a web based demo but these are usually, in my
> opinion, much less than optimal at demonstrating the full potential of
> the software) any programs in-house, then you are going to put many off
> even testing the product. If they can download, install and test the
> software on their teacher's laptop you will have a much better chance of
> persuading them to install a production server.
>
how are they less impressive? if a program is web based, it's web based.
> > There are all web based programs and therefore the host makes no
> > difference. The staff and students in my schools are still mostly on M$
> > machines and until I have a decent Client for Netware, are going to stay
> > that way.
> > What I want to affect is the way schools "run" there records keeping
> > operations, If we can build an OpenSource admin suite, and the parts
> > already exist,
>
> If you are in USA? have you tried Open Admin for schools?
> http://richtech.ca/openadmin/
> Or are you looking for more than this?
I have looked at this and it is nice, I am looking to use a COTS (common off
the shelf) approach to building a hybrid suite. To make this suite easier to
manage I would like to use a common programming language and common DB
Centre is working on a MySQL port that would eliminate the last inconsistency.
all will be LAMP products.
>
> > Your comments seem to be generated from an experience of trying to move
> > the desktop to quickly,
>
> On the contrary we have been running Linux on the desktop for four years
> and recently we went totally Linux everywhere and all ICT teaching has
> been on Linux for three years. When I speak of Linux uptake in schools I
> am speaking about experiences of other schools not my own.
> We use Zope and Plone for Intranet/Learning platform and our MIS(SIS)
> has been developed by myself using Zope, Postgres,Apache and many other
> smaller pieces of supporting software and is fully English CBDS
> compliant. I will be releasing it soon, but when I do there will be a
> Windows version and a Linux version for the reasons I have already
> espoused.
are you working with SchoolTool? Would you like to distribute it with full
support of an OS. We can help you optimize it for OpenSUSE.
> My comments are largely through despair at how intransigent some so
> called intelligent people can be!
> Regards
> Garry Saddington
> Skegness Grammar School, England
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