Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-edu (303 mails)

[Colin McQueen <cmcqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

John Dean <john@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 December 2003 08:44, Colin McQueen wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > > I see your point but I am not convinced that its a terrible
> > > > > > waste of money.  How does open source get created.?
> > >
> > > With a computer, compiler, linker, set of function libraries and a
> > > lot of time and effort, that's how it gets created
> > >
> > > > > > Where do these people get the time?
> > >
> > > We make time. Three years of my life have gone into my project,
> > > Rekall
> > >
> > > > > If you don't know the answer to that question then you should
> > > > > be on this list
> > > >
> > > > I am on this list ;-)  I still don't know the answer.  i'd love
> > > > to have the time to support open source by creating but work,
> > > > other causes and family take up too much time (not in that order
> > > > of priority) and do come first
> > >
> > > Your attitude suggests to me that you would never make it in the
> > > OS movement. We give up our spare time because we believe in what
> > > we are doing is for the common good.
> >
> > That's a little condemming.
> 
> May be so, but look again at what you have written
I have and I don't see what you are getting at?
> 
> > What attitude is that then?
> 
> negative and dismissive
I have only posed counter arguments.  Many of them are actually positive
but not necessarily towards open source. 

I challenge you to point out a single dismissive comment?

> 
> > What's wrong with asking questions.  Is that not allowed here?
> 
> There is no at all wrong with asking questions, but you have to be
> prepared to take some flak if your questions, comments are some what
> annoying

ditto.  I suppose you're right but I am not on this list to try and
annoy people.  I have never intentionally written to annoy.  I would
like open source to become the norm.  But I work in schools as teacher
and adviser, I also have children in both primary and secondary.  If
anything I find the comments from some on this list very dismissive
about the hard work and good intentions of pupils, teachers, parents,
governors and advisors.  If some of it were to believed, only those that
evangelise open source are worthy the rest of us are stupid.
> 
> >
> > > You would do well to read Richard M. Stallman's book, "The
> > > Cathedral and the Bazzar" then you will know a little bit about
> > > what motivates the Open Scourse Movement.
> >
> > I didn't ask about the motivation I asked about the time.
> 
> Movation and time are inextricably linked together. If you had the
> motivation then you would find the time

Not true.  Its quite common for people to be misled or pushed away from
their own motivational interests.  I have motivation in too many areas. 
For me its about priorities.  I've already listed some of my geater
ones.
> 
> > I spend a lot of time on things I believe in.
> 
> There you go. You have replied to my comment regarding motivation. It
> is obvious from what you head said that you don't believe in the Open
> Source Movement. If you did we would wouldn't be having this
> conversation.

Oh but I do.  Its just not my religion, nor high enough priority above
feeding my family with love, food and shelter and supporting others
around me.

Anyway I am confident I am contibuting, but perhaps I'll never convince
you.  Tough!
<snip>
> The book is by Eric Raymond not Richard Stallman and it can be found
> at www.catb.org/~esr

Thanks, I'll look it up.

<snip>


-- 
Colin McQueen