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Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
I think, as with most laws, the owness is on YOU to know and/or find out
what the laws are. Its
part of your job - even if its not in the Job description.

YOU could therefore be found wanting if materials in use in your school are
not licenced correctly.

I have little sympathy with those who flaunt licencing laws. Its true, that
I think that some licences
which cost tens of pounds are too expensive (especially for products rarely
used during the school year). At the same time some licences which costs
thousands are probably reasonably good value for money.

If you don't like the cost - don't buy or use it.

I've written software and know how much time and effort is involved to
produce material of value. If I thought that anyone (colleagues included)
used the software without buying a licence I would have no hesitation in
screwing them (metatphorically speaking of course...with possible
exceptions!).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Coulton,G" <coultogi01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mherbert@xxxxxxxxxx>; <"Schools List
<suse-linux-uk-schools@xxxxxxxx>"@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com>
Cc: "Coulton,G" <coultogi01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Mark Evans'"
<mpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Simon Wood'" <Simon.Wood@xxxxxxxxxx>;
"Schools List" <suse-linux-uk-schools@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy


> Morning Everyone :)
>
> I have worked in schools for over two and a half years and the ICT
> Co-ordinator has for twenty five years. Neither of use have seen ANY
> publication on licensing ETC.
>
> Does the DfES produce one? Is it a LEA thing? Who is in charge of letting
> schools know about licensing?
>
> TIA
>
>
> Gary Coulton
>
> Corpus Christi Catholic High School
> Neville Road,
> LEEDS. UK
> LS9 0TT
>
> Tel: +44 113 248 2666
> Fax: +44 113 235 0758
>
> Email: coultogi01@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Website: www.cchsleeds.demon.co.uk
>
> "Corpus Christi Catholic High School, has
> Technology College Status, and specialises
> in ICT, Maths, Science and Design Technology"
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Malcolm Herbert [mailto:mherbert@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 13 July 2001 17:00
> > To: "Schools List
> > <suse-linux-uk-schools@xxxxxxxx>"@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com
> > Cc: Coulton,G; 'Mark Evans'; 'Simon Wood'; Schools List
> > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in schools/piracy
> >
> >
> > hi all
> >
> > adding to the debate, here is the synopsis of a BESA report
> > on illegal
> > software use carried out in 1999 (and repeated last year), on
> > the Becta web
> > site. Wonder who the sponsors of the report were ?
> >
> > Malcolm
> >
> >
> > Half of schools found licensing overly complex. The main
> > problems were
> > reported as being the variety of different licence agreements
> > and confusing
> > language in documentation.
> >
> > Many teachers were unsure whether and under what
> > circumstances copying of
> > software was allowed. Half of teachers believed that it was
> > acceptable to copy
> > software for classroom use. Copying for home use or copying
> > for a colleague
> > was thought to be acceptable by about a fifth of teachers.
> > Ten per cent of
> > teachers thought it acceptable to lend colleagues software
> > when not in use by
> > the licence holder.
> >
> > Half of primary schools and a quarter of secondary schools
> > were unaware of the
> > penalties they might incur for use of unlicensed software.
> > Secondary schools
> > were concerned about others using unlicensed software because
> > they felt that
> > the outcome would be more expensive software products.
> > Schools were unsure how
> > easy or difficult it might be to identify schools using
> > unlicensed software,
> > but the majority thought it might be difficult.
> >
> > Just under half of ICT co-ordinators reported that they would
> > not know who to
> > ask for advice. Of the others, most said that they would turn
> > to local
> > authority ICT centres and advisers. Organisations such as the
> > Federation
> > Against Software Theft (FAST) or the British Educational Suppliers
> > Association (BESA) are unlikely to be consulted.
> >
> > Only a small minority of schools across the UK has ever
> > discussed licensing
> > at governors? meetings, and few schools indicated that they
> > had plans to do
> > so.
> >
> > The majority of schools thought it would be illegal for
> > software distributors
> > to sell unlicensed software. Schools indicated concern that
> > their supplier
> > might pass on unlicensed software. Generally, software
> > distributors and
> > producers were not felt to provide adequate information.
> >
> > A third of primary schools and half of secondary schools had
> > procedures in
> > place to ensure that software is licensed to the
> > manufacturer?s requirements.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 12 July 2001 14:59, Mark Evans wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Coulton,G wrote:
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mark Evans [mailto:mpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > Sent: 11 July 2001 14:36
> > > > > > To: Coulton,G
> > > > > > Cc: 'Simon Wood'; Schools List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [suse-linux-uk-schools] software in
> > schools/piracy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Simon,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think something came across my desk in relation to Linux
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a while back. The
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > reason we didn't respond is because :-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a) Trying to manage the network growing as quick as most
> > > > > >
> > > > > > High Schools
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > netwrks is very time consuming (to give you an idea I have
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 123 computers to
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > set up using some form of OS, a language lab with 32
> > > > > >
> > > > > > machines, interactive
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > whiteboards and another computer room all before
> > > > > >
> > > > > > September). To change or
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > look at something as (I hesitate to use this word) radical
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as Linux is a big
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > step and eXTREMELY time consuming, where as I'm sure you'll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > agree - adding
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > an NT Box as a BDC to the network is extremely simple :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since when is a BDC a workstation?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm talking about workstations! I'm talking about
> > adding a Linux Server
> > > > > as opposed to an NT / W2K / XP Server
> > > >
> > > > snip
> > > >
> > > > I had to add my mite here as I don't agree at all. Your
> > argument assumes
> > > > you are moving from NT and learning Linux. I could set up
> > a Linux server
> > > > much quicker. It is only eXTREMELY time consuming if you
> > start from
> > > > knowing nothing about it. I would have the same problem
> > in reverse if I
> > >
> > > Possibly it's more time consuming for someone knowing only
> > NT, which would
> > > only apply to relative newcomers anyway...
> > >
> > > > ever succumbed to the suggestions I get to install NT - I
> > refuse to do it
> > >
> > > I actually have exactly this problem. In that I cannot get a W2K to
> > > reliably work as a replacement for our Netware 3.12 server in order
> > > to operate SIMS. But the new SQL stuff isn't supported running on
> > > a proper SQL server.
> > >
> > > Interestingly it's only the 95 workstations which have a problem
> > > communicating with this server, smbclient has no problem
> > recognising it.
> > >
> > > Both Microsoft and the LEA people have little idea why it shouldn't
> > > work.
> > >
> > > > as I don't have the time to spare to learn how to do it.
> > If I could see
> > > > *any* technological advantage in doing so I would have to
> > consider it
> > > > seriously. I won't go into the rest of the arguments
> > pro/con which we
> > > > keep rehashing here. I do know that if I ever do get
> > forced into getting
> > > > involved in NT/W2k I will miss the openness and freedom
> > of information I
> > > > get using Open Source.
> > >
> > > Virtually every time I have to deal with a piece of Windows software
> > > (especially if it's from Microsoft) I am left feeling as
> > though I would
> > > be better off headbutting a wall. (The only notable
> > exceptions have been
> > > Techsoft and Avco Systems.)
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------
> > Malcolm Herbert
> > Red Hat Europe
> > t:+44 1483 734955 m:+44 7720 079845
> > ------------------------------------
> >
>
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