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RE: [suse-linux-uk-schools] Sorry, we MUST buy Microsoft.
- From: "Mr J W Philpott" <jwp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:54:42 +0000 (UTC)
- Message-id: <web-432941@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I've been sitting here looking at all the postings and have
felt the stirings of an odd nostalgia, all the great
arguments remind me of the Acorn lobby. Having at last been
allowed to dump the old A3000 acorns I no longer have to
listen to people banging on about how god they were. I've
played about with LINUX a bit but can not spare the time to
work out how it all works. I am a teacher who, with the
current state of things, gets 2 frees out of 30 a week
(which I generally use to support others using ICT). I do
not have the time to learn.
As a head of ICT I have 1 ex-army technician who is self
taught. We could not afford anyone who is LINUX able. I've
spent many hours trying to get Apache/Squid to work, only to
work out eventually that it was the addressing system forced
on us by the old Acorn kit that stopped Squid from working.
On the other hand it took me a couple of hours to get Apache
running on an WIN98 box. The nice people at Tiny came in
and set up our NT server for use and answered all our
questions about adding another one. All the software
installs itself and runs. WINSUIT keeps the little dears
out and the OS in and if anything goes wrong we Ghost it all
back.
If I was foolish enough to want to go my own way, I would
return to the sad old Acorns because they atleast worked
straight out of the box.
OK you lot, fire ;-)
Jamie
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:37:10 +0000 (GMT)
"Alan Davies" <staff.asd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> OK I heared the arguments...
>
> I largely agree with the arguments...
>
> But I think the arguments are not about the issues
> which others....and yes, myself too...feel are the
> necessary ones to consider.
>
> I have no problem with Star Office....neither would
> others. I have no problem wih K desktop....
> I agree - we are 'Educating' not training....
>
> BUT
>
> Pupils need to use current MS tools NOW - not just when
> they leave school...in many other subject areas
> than IT.
>
> You only need to take one look at programs like
> 'crocodile physics, technology, chemistry' to be
> converted. They are simply fantastic compared to
> anything (are there isn't much) to satisfy CAL.
>
> The 'control' programs for Data logging....all require
> MS OS.
>
> Publisher (....and I hate it....much prefer my Acorn
> copy of !Style) is everywhere...integrates very nicely
> with other MS packages (just as well because it
> doesn't have much else going for it) but it simply
> doesn't
> have a convenient way of transfering material to LINUX
> platform.
>
> I might well migrate by NT servers to LINUX...
>
> I might well change my Netscape proxy server to LINUX
> (although I've
> never managed to get the MS proxy client software
> (winsock proxy)
> to work with anything but MS server).
>
> I might change my Email server to LINUX...especially as
> its the
> same box as my proxy.
>
> I certainly run Xserver clients on my PCs to give access
> to
> a differen't OS....a multiuser OS....
>
> I use telnet and introduce some C programming as a
> change
> to Visual Basic (again....nothing anywhere near as good
> for LINUX..
> and yes, I'd be first to agree that VB has its problems)
>
> You could use CITRIX to deliver MS interface to LINUX
> clients...but
> I'd say that was only to be resorted too when really
> necessary. Sound
> and moving graphics are pretty slow, and CITRIX is
> expensive. A Terminal
> Server Client for LINUX would be attractive but I can't
> see MS doing/Allowing
> that.
>
> Add to that the dearth of 'cheap' (sorry) LINUX capable
> technicians,
> the dearth of teaching staff that have any familiarity
> with LINUX (in fact
> there is dearth of IT capable staff) and the
> desktop battle is lost - except for niche schools and or
> workstations
> within a school.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Davies
> Head of Computing
> Birkenhead School
>
J W Philpott
Head of ICT
Charles Burrell High School, Thetford, Norfolk
Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:37:10 +0000 (GMT)
felt the stirings of an odd nostalgia, all the great
arguments remind me of the Acorn lobby. Having at last been
allowed to dump the old A3000 acorns I no longer have to
listen to people banging on about how god they were. I've
played about with LINUX a bit but can not spare the time to
work out how it all works. I am a teacher who, with the
current state of things, gets 2 frees out of 30 a week
(which I generally use to support others using ICT). I do
not have the time to learn.
As a head of ICT I have 1 ex-army technician who is self
taught. We could not afford anyone who is LINUX able. I've
spent many hours trying to get Apache/Squid to work, only to
work out eventually that it was the addressing system forced
on us by the old Acorn kit that stopped Squid from working.
On the other hand it took me a couple of hours to get Apache
running on an WIN98 box. The nice people at Tiny came in
and set up our NT server for use and answered all our
questions about adding another one. All the software
installs itself and runs. WINSUIT keeps the little dears
out and the OS in and if anything goes wrong we Ghost it all
back.
If I was foolish enough to want to go my own way, I would
return to the sad old Acorns because they atleast worked
straight out of the box.
OK you lot, fire ;-)
Jamie
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:37:10 +0000 (GMT)
"Alan Davies" <staff.asd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> *This message was transferred with a trial version of
> CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> OK I heared the arguments...
>
> I largely agree with the arguments...
>
> But I think the arguments are not about the issues
> which others....and yes, myself too...feel are the
> necessary ones to consider.
>
> I have no problem with Star Office....neither would
> others. I have no problem wih K desktop....
> I agree - we are 'Educating' not training....
>
> BUT
>
> Pupils need to use current MS tools NOW - not just when
> they leave school...in many other subject areas
> than IT.
>
> You only need to take one look at programs like
> 'crocodile physics, technology, chemistry' to be
> converted. They are simply fantastic compared to
> anything (are there isn't much) to satisfy CAL.
>
> The 'control' programs for Data logging....all require
> MS OS.
>
> Publisher (....and I hate it....much prefer my Acorn
> copy of !Style) is everywhere...integrates very nicely
> with other MS packages (just as well because it
> doesn't have much else going for it) but it simply
> doesn't
> have a convenient way of transfering material to LINUX
> platform.
>
> I might well migrate by NT servers to LINUX...
>
> I might well change my Netscape proxy server to LINUX
> (although I've
> never managed to get the MS proxy client software
> (winsock proxy)
> to work with anything but MS server).
>
> I might change my Email server to LINUX...especially as
> its the
> same box as my proxy.
>
> I certainly run Xserver clients on my PCs to give access
> to
> a differen't OS....a multiuser OS....
>
> I use telnet and introduce some C programming as a
> change
> to Visual Basic (again....nothing anywhere near as good
> for LINUX..
> and yes, I'd be first to agree that VB has its problems)
>
> You could use CITRIX to deliver MS interface to LINUX
> clients...but
> I'd say that was only to be resorted too when really
> necessary. Sound
> and moving graphics are pretty slow, and CITRIX is
> expensive. A Terminal
> Server Client for LINUX would be attractive but I can't
> see MS doing/Allowing
> that.
>
> Add to that the dearth of 'cheap' (sorry) LINUX capable
> technicians,
> the dearth of teaching staff that have any familiarity
> with LINUX (in fact
> there is dearth of IT capable staff) and the
> desktop battle is lost - except for niche schools and or
> workstations
> within a school.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Davies
> Head of Computing
> Birkenhead School
>
J W Philpott
Head of ICT
Charles Burrell High School, Thetford, Norfolk
Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:37:10 +0000 (GMT)
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