just incase anyone is keeping track... I have now got wine to work. I was being misled by stat errors on not finding floppy drives...In fact I had no entries in /mnt at all (is this expected?) - although icons and paths seem to work OK using kde. I created a directory /mnt/fd0 and put a kdelink in there to /dev/fd0 - is this right? In any case the error went away - and I then was able to fix the other path errors - by creating c/windows/system32 - and missing msvcrt.dll (I thought wine was supposed to do away with the need to dlls...) I was a) surprised to find that many things worked....including the clipboard between PC apps. b) then surprised that 'saving' from notepad and wordpad did not work - Do they need further dlls ? Downloaded Netscape 6 - worked and installed flash as well. I must be getting good at all this tar stuff. (Couldn't get kpackage or karchiver to do anything useful!) Sadly netscape6 did not work to PC clients running MIX X server - although netscape 4.72 was fine. star office 5.2 now working in english - but I think I've installed it as a single user rather than for global use. The readme file said something about network install but the files it referred to didn't seem to be there! Still can't get SAMBA to work within windows to produce 'mounts' but the daemons are fine - and I can use smbclient and smb commands to access our PCs. One of my (more expert) pupils had kde working fine to MIX Xserver. Said he did nothing different than I said I had tried. It still won't work for me - usually producing the correct screen - but clicking on applications in the menus does nothing and then screen redraw stops working correctly. I assume his .xsession or .xDefaults file have something different in them. Are there any other configuation files I should look at which are user specific for X/kde With a 'thin client' X solution can you: a) get local sound? b) get access to local floppies/hard drives -- Alan Davies Head of Computing Birkenhead School