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Maciej Pilichowski <bluedzins@xxxxx> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Maciej Pilichowski <bluedzins@xxxxx>  2007-09-20 08:29:20 MST ---
> The more information is displayed the more confused (esp. beginner) users.

In this case -- I doubt it. All columns I have are off the screen and this is
like this for a looong time.

> the only way would be to display it optionally.

I wouldn't mind it. However I think fixed columns are better approach, I teach
people how to use computers (at many levels) and I didn't see that info
"installation time" with date&time could confuse somebody.

Besides -- we are talking about yast/SM.

> And the rollback must be performed manually by an experienced user 

? If user is "experienced" enough to check the package to install she/he is
experienced enough to check it for delete.

Besides, what you have to offer to intermediate user? Completely beginner
rather won't start SM, guru will handle the problem, what about the rest?

> who should
> know how to get list of recently installed packages ('rpm -qa --last').

I didn't it :-) GUI simplifies a lot of things. In case of rpm you have to
either read manual or to know in advance the solution. In GUI world you go with
the flow, you can use what you see right away.

> I can't see any advantage here. Or how it could help?

Ladislav, what is the point of this whole Yast/SM thing? All things you can do
with bare rpm, right?
So the advantage is still the same -- productivity. 

Let's imagine SM with this feature. I run SM, click on install.date column, I
check five top packages to delete, I click accept.

Now, rpm version.

# man rpm
oh boy, what should I look for? installed? installation? time? maybe I'd better
use google... 
# gg:rpm sort installation time
# rpm -qa --queryformat '%{installtime} %{name}-%{version}-%{release}
%{installtime:date}\n' | sort -nr +1 | sed -e 's/^[^ ]* //'

It was the best I could find for several minutes. After looking at this I feel
like I am not worth using Linux, because I don't have time to study this. And
except for admins I doubt there anybody have so much time to perform simple
tasks studying so much. 

And what's more, this does not work. Ok, let's add magic, somehow user found
out the solution

# rpm -qa --last 
oh wait, stop, gosh, the list is too long
# rpm -qa --last | more
# ctrl+n (new tab in Konsole)
# rpm -e
# tab, mouse sel, crtrl+c
god, ctrl+ins
# shift+up
# ctrl+ins, tab, shift+ins, tab
# mouse sel, ctrl+ins, tab, shift+ins, tab
# mouse sel, ctrl+ins, tab, shift+ins, tab
# mouse sel, ctrl+ins, tab, shift+ins, tab
# mouse sel, ctrl+ins, tab, shift+ins, tab
ok, we are done
# tab
# enter

Oki doki, that was easy ;-DD Ladislav, come on :-) GUI was "invented" just for
such tasks.


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