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[Bug 276018] Include the OSS and Non-OSS metadata on the CDs/DVDs
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:56:19 -0600 (MDT)
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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=276018
------- Comment #5 from lrupp@xxxxxxxxxx 2007-06-06 09:56 MST -------
(In reply to comment #4)
> Less steps between having finished the install, and having an appropriately
> tweaked install. If the user added the online repository during the
> installation, they likely had to wait for quite some time (since the mirrors
> are hammered at release time) through a process that can't be canceled.
A small step here is our fixed redirector. So users will be redirected better
to a mirror near by themselves.
And talking about a few minutes waiting during installation: how long does a
user wait from beginning of the installation until the repos are added? So I
would say: just time for another cup of coffee...
> I dislike the debian method you suggested as I think it's only beneficial in
> very rare cases. If a user has a slow connection, they either downloaded the
> DVD over a day or two, or they have a good friend. If they downloaded it
> themselves, they don't want to wait another two days to only get the 5 packages
> from it that they'll ever need.
Sorry: I disagree.
If they _know_ the 5 packages, why not downloading them from the FTP-Tree
without the overhead?
My main problem: Tell me the packages we should remove from the media (and
break updates from older versions with that removal) without anyone crying out
loud...
My experience told me that it's most of the time easier to have just 2 DVDs
with me containing _all_ official packages when I visit my friends instead of
telling them "now we need an internet connection to get the packages I like to
show you". In that case I don't care about any internet connection at all.
If you like do download each package you like to test - you still have an
internet connection. But if you _don't_ have any internet available, you will
be glad about a second media containing all the packages even available on the
FTP-Tree.
> If they got it off a friend, they're not going
> to want them to get two DVDs for them instead of one.
Well: you don't need the second DVD for installation...
> Also I think the last thing we need is more media. I mean, there's already so
> many CDs, then the DVD, and the retail DVD.
Thats a good point!
But I'm more thinking about:
1 CD for a default KDE or Gnome installation (2CDs at all)
2 DVDs for each architecture containing all packages.
The first DVD is like the current one, the second is an Add-on media.
With this, we can drop the 6 normal CDs, the Lang-Addon and the NonOSS-Addon.
Yes: the DVD wil contain also NonOSS stuff (as they do now). But there is no
need to install it.
Yes: the CDs will contain only one language and perhaps we should think about a
CD for every supported language. (But this means: replace 6 packages and master
again...) ...or just communicate that the users just have to add the DVDs or
FTP-Trees, choose their language and let YaST do the magic.
> That's more work for you guys, too
Replacing 8 medias with 3 sounds not like "more work" for me. ;-)
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------- Comment #5 from lrupp@xxxxxxxxxx 2007-06-06 09:56 MST -------
(In reply to comment #4)
> Less steps between having finished the install, and having an appropriately
> tweaked install. If the user added the online repository during the
> installation, they likely had to wait for quite some time (since the mirrors
> are hammered at release time) through a process that can't be canceled.
A small step here is our fixed redirector. So users will be redirected better
to a mirror near by themselves.
And talking about a few minutes waiting during installation: how long does a
user wait from beginning of the installation until the repos are added? So I
would say: just time for another cup of coffee...
> I dislike the debian method you suggested as I think it's only beneficial in
> very rare cases. If a user has a slow connection, they either downloaded the
> DVD over a day or two, or they have a good friend. If they downloaded it
> themselves, they don't want to wait another two days to only get the 5 packages
> from it that they'll ever need.
Sorry: I disagree.
If they _know_ the 5 packages, why not downloading them from the FTP-Tree
without the overhead?
My main problem: Tell me the packages we should remove from the media (and
break updates from older versions with that removal) without anyone crying out
loud...
My experience told me that it's most of the time easier to have just 2 DVDs
with me containing _all_ official packages when I visit my friends instead of
telling them "now we need an internet connection to get the packages I like to
show you". In that case I don't care about any internet connection at all.
If you like do download each package you like to test - you still have an
internet connection. But if you _don't_ have any internet available, you will
be glad about a second media containing all the packages even available on the
FTP-Tree.
> If they got it off a friend, they're not going
> to want them to get two DVDs for them instead of one.
Well: you don't need the second DVD for installation...
> Also I think the last thing we need is more media. I mean, there's already so
> many CDs, then the DVD, and the retail DVD.
Thats a good point!
But I'm more thinking about:
1 CD for a default KDE or Gnome installation (2CDs at all)
2 DVDs for each architecture containing all packages.
The first DVD is like the current one, the second is an Add-on media.
With this, we can drop the 6 normal CDs, the Lang-Addon and the NonOSS-Addon.
Yes: the DVD wil contain also NonOSS stuff (as they do now). But there is no
need to install it.
Yes: the CDs will contain only one language and perhaps we should think about a
CD for every supported language. (But this means: replace 6 packages and master
again...) ...or just communicate that the users just have to add the DVDs or
FTP-Trees, choose their language and let YaST do the magic.
> That's more work for you guys, too
Replacing 8 medias with 3 sounds not like "more work" for me. ;-)
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