Extremely well-stated, Marcus! Bryen On Tue, 2013-01-01 at 11:25 +0100, Marcus Moeller wrote:
Am 01.01.2013 06:30, schrieb DuBois, Scott L.:
Meetings are always a good idea in my opinion. As others have stated though, the time can be a hassle since many of us live in varied time zones across the globe.
I know I have looked back on old minutes a day or two after a meeting and wanted to ask questions about a topic only to feel like I'm a few days late on something that was already decided. I don't know what the etiquette is for asking questions after a meeting is held, but an outline would be nice as to how to go about it.
I've always thought it would be nice to have somewhere or someone I can turn to for a project if I have the time to do something to contribute. If I have some free time on a Saturday night or Sunday afternoon I could turn to a wiki page or send an email to someone to say "Hey, what needs to get done? I have some free time and feel like being creative." However from what I can tell this doesn't seem to be the case or I am not aware of it. Some people seem to pick up projects from I don't know where, maybe IRC which lately I haven't had time for but that will be changing soon.
I like the idea of working with teams personally and if having a meeting each week or two weeks will help then I'm game and will do my best to attend or at least provide feedback and support.
You mentioned a few reasons why I am not that big fan of IRC meetings at all.
As Bryen lined out earlier, they might be good for on-demand topics, like: 'There is version 12.3 knocking on the door, and a few tasks left, lets talk about who will do what.'
This team is a bit special, as when it's about work, noone is there. (you have read Richards comments on that) Ppl tend to talk a lot in advance and afterwards, but noone likes to do the work. Another special thing is noone remembers on what we have decided afterwards, even if it's in the logs.
In the past (till now), there are some guys left like Ivan, tigerfoot, Richard, Victor and me who did most of the work, even if we asked for help several times (see the ML archive on that).
As a result we have been called elitists. Thanks, but we would have prefered if PUTYOURNAMEINHERE would have helped to do the ugly work instead.
And don't expect that beginners contributions will be treated the same as from established ones. You, DuBois are a good example to show how to do it right. You are interested and asking for help.
Another way to go is to continuously contribute and improve, like Victor does.
Anyhow, this issue has been addressed to the Board, with no real consequences.
So my friendly (and not elitist) advice for anyone who is not already doing the real stuff: ask, learn, contribute, improve.
If one is asking for help in a friendly manner and not even pissing the established members off for all the work we have done, we can work it out together in the future.
Greets Marcus
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